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The Golden Age Of Mining And Mission Running

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Elisha Starkiller
EU Industrials
#1 - 2012-01-09 10:33:45 UTC
So people with all these people now running incursions (this is not a nerf incursions thread! I thinkthey are great getting people to fly together and be social) there are deff less people running missions and mining.

this means there is less loot being refined, and less ore being refined,

So there you have it people, my theory on the rising prices, get your lvl4 mission ships together and start reaping the profit! dust off them orcas...

rejoice the golden age of selling minerals!

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#2 - 2012-01-09 10:58:05 UTC
2 minutes before downtime and 20,000 are online, Zydrine is at 735 in Jita. Was at 1100 a year ago. Stocks are in the 10's of millions.

Maybe in 6 months you will be right. Today? Not so much.
Elisha Starkiller
EU Industrials
#3 - 2012-01-09 11:03:17 UTC
Zydrine has dropped I agree but there are several other minerals that are rising slowly. im assuming this must be reduced supply compared to increased demand.....

but then assumption is the mother of all......

Elisha Starkiller
EU Industrials
#4 - 2012-01-09 11:06:22 UTC
May be the title should have been "The Golden Age Of Manufacturing" :P

either way one of my alts has started manufacturing T1 at a profit... who would have thought it! (only mildly researched BPO's too)

Golden age... :D
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#5 - 2012-01-09 11:09:38 UTC
The beauty of Tech 1 forecasting is, it doesn't have moon goo or Intact armor plate bottle necking in the production.

If people are using minerals off the market to produce, they use them in compareable volumes. Supply is there if demand is.
Right now the demand isn't there. Thats the trouble.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-09 11:19:39 UTC
if your definition of a golden age is one where too many people do something and drive down any profits, then yes, manufacturing has hit its golden age

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#7 - 2012-01-09 11:23:08 UTC
Last reply unless a direct question is asked but your optimism isn't to be wasted. There is some opportunity in the current state of the market and manufacturing of EVE. I will leave it to you to find those opportunities though as that's what makes it all a game.

GL in that. (genuine GL)
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-01-09 11:26:39 UTC
Skydell wrote:
2 minutes before downtime and 20,000 are online, Zydrine is at 735 in Jita. Was at 1100 a year ago. Stocks are in the 10's of millions.


Botters gonna bot.
Elisha Starkiller
EU Industrials
#9 - 2012-01-09 11:27:13 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Last reply unless a direct question is asked but your optimism isn't to be wasted. There is some opportunity in the current state of the market and manufacturing of EVE. I will leave it to you to find those opportunities though as that's what makes it all a game.

GL in that. (genuine GL)



There are definitely a few,

And Thanks :D
pussnheels
Viziam
#10 - 2012-01-09 12:33:05 UTC
the golden age of mining was when miners were treated as just another way of playing this game , today miners are ridiculed and being treated as pîece of dirt , they being called carebears or bots at best but most of the time called worse and CCP is actually encouraging others to grief them out of the game

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-01-09 13:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit McJafitson
pussnheels wrote:
the golden age of mining was when miners were treated as just another way of playing this game , today miners are ridiculed and being treated as pîece of dirt , they being called carebears or bots at best but most of the time called worse and CCP is actually encouraging others to grief them out of the game

Dear sweet pubbie. Your tears are like life sustaining nectar to those who kill you. I would like to say that you are dumb, but I know that it's not really your fault that you're like this.

If left to their own devices a player usually does that which is familiar to them. The game starts by giving you an Ibis with a mining laser and a civilian railgun fitted, and tells you to go mine rocks and shoot red crosses. The player will follow the nice tutorial lady's advice and go shoot rocks and red crosses... and that's basically all they'll ever do. They'll learn all about shooting rocks and red crosses, they put rat damage types in their character bio, maybe they'll cooperate with other players up to the point where they skilled and equipped well enough to do things on their own, because nobody wants to split the profits. If you need help you'll just get another account.

So you end up with this huge group of players who are effectively playing Eve as a single player game, with no real interaction with other players. Then one day, another player interacts with them, hard. They lose their hulk or their CNR, and they're shocked because the game has done nothing to prepare them for this experience. You think that your assailent is in the wrong, that he is a griefer. You rage in local and petition CCP to get your stuff back only to find that all is as intended.

It's not your fault you don't know any better, it's Eve's fault for not educating you on the nature of the game, and for leading you into a career of high-sec mining in the first place. You have my pity.
pussnheels
Viziam
#12 - 2012-01-09 14:09:55 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
the golden age of mining was when miners were treated as just another way of playing this game , today miners are ridiculed and being treated as pîece of dirt , they being called carebears or bots at best but most of the time called worse and CCP is actually encouraging others to grief them out of the game

Dear sweet pubbie. Your tears are like life sustaining nectar to those who kill you. I would like to say that you are dumb, but I know that it's not really your fault that you're like this.

If left to their own devices a player usually does that which is familiar to them. The game starts by giving you an Ibis with a mining laser and a civilian railgun fitted, and tells you to go mine rocks and shoot red crosses. The player will follow the nice tutorial lady's advice and go shoot rocks and red crosses... and that's basically all they'll ever do. They'll learn all about shooting rocks and red crosses, they put rat damage types in their character bio, maybe they'll cooperate with other players up to the point where they skilled and equipped well enough to do things on their own, because nobody wants to split the profits. If you need help you'll just get another account.

So you end up with this huge group of players who are effectively playing Eve as a single player game, with no real interaction with other players. Then one day, another player interacts with them, hard. They lose their hulk or their CNR, and they're shocked because the game has done nothing to prepare them for this experience. You think that your assailent is in the wrong, that he is a griefer. You rage in local and petition CCP to get your stuff back only to find that all is as intended.

It's not your fault you don't know any better, it's Eve's fault for not educating you on the nature of the game, and for leading you into a career of high-sec mining in the first place. You have my pity.

so yes you saying we have to play this game how you nullsec assholes want to play the game and any other way is wrong and should be eradicated
well to be polite ' ge kunt m'n klote kusse'
i always thought you people out there have lost any sense what a sandboxgame means and that this game was designed to be played in several different ways and if someone wants to play on his own thats his choice not yours

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-09 14:31:41 UTC
Losing my mission running Dominix to Low-Sec gankers was the best thing that could have happened to me.

It turns out, there's other people that also play this game. And they can interact with me as much as they want. And they mostly use guns to interact with others.

I know. Completely blew my mind at the time.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-01-09 14:53:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit McJafitson
pussnheels wrote:
so yes you saying we have to play this game how you nullsec assholes want to play the game and any other way is wrong and should be eradicated
well to be polite ' ge kunt m'n klote kusse'
i always thought you people out there have lost any sense what a sandboxgame means and that this game was designed to be played in several different ways and if someone wants to play on his own thats his choice not yours


You're playing a game that goes to great lengths to have one single un-sharded universe full of thousands of players. If all you do is shoot red crosses or mine rocks with the extent of your interaction with other players being chatting in corp or sperging in local because someone flipped your can or stole your salvage, then yes I think that I have reasonable grounds for accusing you of playing the game wrong.

But as I said, it's not your fault, Eve doesn't train the player how to play like other games do.

Compare your newbie experience in this game with that of Evian Drinker's newbie experience, a 1 day old player who on his first day helped tackle and kill three Tengus. We have another newbie, Orion Winters who got a warp-in on a Nyx Supercarrier on his second day, first supercapital kill of 2012. On your second day you were mining Scordite in your Bantam or grinding level1 missions. Can you imagine how different your Eve life would have been if you had that kind of start?

Please try to understand where we're coming from. We're playing the game as it was intended. We're interacting with each other in a multiplayer game like we're supposed to. We interact with each other all the time, cooperating and helping each other (or not sometimes). we interact with neutrals and reds using the myriad of ships and modules explicitly designed by CCP for combat.

We're doing all the things that CCP keeps making (very misleading and misrepresentative) trailers about. CCP don't make trailers about solo mining or mission running publords in high-sec for very good reason.
Elisha Starkiller
EU Industrials
#15 - 2012-01-09 15:17:51 UTC
but yet without the people mining and making ships with industrial alts none of that stuff would have ever happend.....

not going against either point but your both right...
pussnheels
Viziam
#16 - 2012-01-09 15:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
never mind forum ate my reply

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-01-09 15:42:37 UTC
Skydell wrote:
2 minutes before downtime and 20,000 are online, Zydrine is at 735 in Jita. Was at 1100 a year ago. Stocks are in the 10's of millions.

Maybe in 6 months you will be right. Today? Not so much.



Considering all the Exhumer/mining barge murdering that goes for months now and looking at your numbers I'd say that your alliances bots have far too much stock to inject at jita.

Because just face it for once, missioners and high sec miners being responsible for those prices? -c'mon.

Be serious for a second, pick any cloacky ship you can fly and make dozens or hundreds of null sec belts/sites/incursions to see they don't even care to salvage or loot, even battle fights most don't even care to salvage/loot any more and then you think about those dozens billions right there in front of you no one picks and posts like yours on this forum.

0/10
pussnheels
Viziam
#18 - 2012-01-09 15:46:55 UTC
@ jafit

I do understand your point of view but
you pressuming i am new and only mine solo
You are wrong , i got several characters , some industrial type some combat orientated ,and i ve been in large corporations and some large alliances
I ve seen high sec , low sec WH space and nulsec , been there several months in fact so i know what it is out there and understand what you are talking about and i lost plenty of ships in pvp , some good fights other losses were ijust stupid , but anyway
I don't speak for my self and i am sure there are plenty of people out there with the same frustration about the current anti miners attitude that seems to prevail everywhere

CCP made this game with 3 distinct areas each with their own playing styles and while i self enjoy the social side of being in a large corp , there are people who prefer small corporation , them with one or two friends and their alts , no strings no rules and nostranger who tells them what to do now and how todo it

If CCP wanted us all doing PVP , why did they created high sec and why did they created a player driven economy
Ask your self who is going to mine the minerals for your next ship or the fuel for yourcarrier , without those thousands of small corporations the game would turn onesided very fast

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-01-09 15:53:38 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
Please try to understand where we're coming from. We're playing the game as it was intended.

Playing the game any f*cking way you want, that is how its intended.

One thing you can't do, is at least respect how another player plays their game.

Seems its ok to call people pubbie (used as a derogatory word to someone that isn't in your clique), but I bet you wouldn't use racial slurs in the presence of your boss who was of another color.

Seems it ok to blast other people's hulks, but I know you wouldn't walk up to some other random person on the street and just smack them in the head then laugh at their reaction (cause you wouldn't do that in real life amirite? Just slapping someone could be cause for assault Roll)

Seems its ok to steal money and assests, but in real life you wouldn't really steal from your company or bust into your neighbors house to steal their flat screen (if your not firing off knuckle children in the privacy of your neighbor's house while watching something on that flat screen Oops)

You can only do those aspects in EVE, because you can get away with it and it is a form of self empowerment: I can do anything to you, therefore I am better then you

So, tl;dr aspect is you can play the damn game any way you want and thats how its intended.

I don't play the game how you play, but somethings I learned quickly is to be derogartory to some dreddit loudmouth like yourself brings a shitstorm down on them. Blowing up hulks is like blowing up level 4 battle ships, cause hulks die just as easily and I don't need some KM to prove I am better. I don't need to steal assets, because I make enough to suit my needs and because trust has zero value there is no way in hell I am going to trust another player in EVE (if someone wants to play the "rouge rogue" bad ass you are going to have to try way f*cking harder to get to know me then steal my stuff other then fishing local crap-contracts and calling yourself a scammer - BTW at least RL scammers made REAL money instead of fake virtual currency Roll)
Embrace My Hate
Bitmap Brothers
#20 - 2012-01-09 15:53:54 UTC
Elisha Starkiller wrote:
but yet without the people mining and making ships with industrial alts none of that stuff would have ever happend.....

not going against either point but your both right...


The vast majority of minerals are coming from the Drone Regions. Instability in the regions are hurting the supply of the minerals.

Also, I know very few PVP'ers that don't have industrial alts. The world will not end if a few highsec miners and manufacturer's rage quit from suicide ganks.
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