EVE General Discussion

Welcome to capitalism. It kind of sucks when you look at it but we haven't found a better system yet so we keep on trucking with that one.

Capitalism works because of the other person's greed. Sure one gaming company might want to squeeze every last dollar out of their customer base, but greed is also what keeps the team of five friends working until 1am on nights and weekends to make the next biggest game.

Working the job I do, I have spent a lot of time around companies pushing to get investment money. Most of them in the gaming space are in their mid 20's and convinced if they work 90 hour weeks making this game in their free time, they will one day be the next world of warcraft. Without greed, most of those developers wouldn't work as hard as they do.

Because there's no such thing as passion for your career, amiright?

Look mate, don't even start that crap about greed being the only motivational factor. I worked as a chef for 11 years, and I can tell you it wasn't greed that kept me in that job that long. Your pessimism does not refute the passion some games developers have for their projects, and to be honest, it's quite presumptuous of you as well, not to mention insulting.

Capitalism works because a free market economy works. That's it, no greed required. See, a greedy chef, what he does is counts his ingredients very carefully, in order to save money on stock. A chef with passion, like me, just makes sure that people are enjoying his food. And they do it for 11 years with **** pay, and not care, because people are enjoying my food. And that's what mattered to me.

I can't be the only one who goes into a business with an actual passion. Sure, you still have to make money, but that happens naturally if your product is good because you care about it.

Let me stop you right there mate.

Don't project your own insecurities and pretend you know anything about me, or anyone else. Citation needed, otherwise this is a presumption. You have no idea how people 'need' to feel, and I'll tell you flat out I have no need to feel important at all. How dare you presume to know anyone well enough to visit their motivations. The sheer arrogance of you.

Really?

Are safety and security not motivating factors?
Is belongingness not a motivating factor?
Are their not basic psychological factors that motivate us (eg. need for food and to provide food for our family)?

Those all operate at different levels of motivation, but the desire to feel important sits well above some other needs that come first.

Self-importance is not even considered the highest motivator we have as humans; and feeling important is a very limited view of having self-esteem, which can be feeling good about yourself, rather than a need for recognition.

There's a long, long history of motivation theory and nowhere has anyone of any real incite, reduced motivation to a single desire to feel important. I'd love to see the peer-reviewed, accepted literature that identifies importance as the #1 motivation for all people.

Just.. a small step in before this becomes a total flame war over personal crap.

Capitalism works because it shifts. Guy 1 makes a product.. Guy 2 figures out how to make it cheaper. Guy 3 figures out how to make 1000 of them etc etc. The free market aspect is due to those three guys either being in one company, joining together as one company, or being 3 independent businesses in competition. Really nothing else applies. Greed, personal feelings, and general personal bias really don't function as an element of capitalism.
Frankly I get kinda tired of people trying to put emotions into economic and social systems.. They CANNOT feel. They DO NOT care. They are simply a means to do something as a society. No evil. No hate. No greed.. Just a process.
All the emotional and backstabbing elements are just something random people do. Humans are humans after all. We do great things and terrible things.

Side note.. Government regulation isn't evil either.. Bad regulation is. I'll give an example from Ontario that recently tipped over into law.
Law 1: Once a pedestrian crosses the road cars must wait until they completely cross the road even on divided "side by side" city 4 way avenues.
Law 2: Pedestrians must not start to cross in a crosswalk if the oncoming cars cannot stop in time safely.

Both of these laws on the surface seem like good ideas.. except they contradict and fall squarely in the realm of regulation that does not need to exist. Law 2 explicitly encourages cars to accelerate around crosswalks in cities. Before you say "no it doesn't" consider every megalopolis you've ever seen. Did people driving seem to have a large degree of patience? Laws must be crafted with common use and common action in mind.
Law 1 is entirely unenforceable except by opinion. Unless you have a physical camera to watch all cross walks law 2 automatically supersedes it without witnesses.. and even with witnesses it would still have an element of doubt. Laws which devolve into straight personal judgement often end up punishing innocent parties.

What these laws do is define right and wrong but allow the determination of right and wrong to still be under the discretion of the peace officers and justices. This means that on a punishment side of things nothing has changed. However, on the written side of things the system can now be gamed. There are rules and a judge must abide by them without the direct ability to supersede them cleanly. This is when regulation is "bad". A good regulation expands the protection of judicial powers in expression of the will of the populace. A bad regulation defines preexisting events in such a way to allow loop holes or legal criminal action.

One could say fun it self is just a figment of your imagination.... it is guess what all emotions are it called being human one cannot reasonably know without a doubt that another is not having fun doing said activity. Fun is an emotion wich is all in our heads.... thanks try again

Assuming we are all in situations where we don't have to worry about food and safety (which we wouldn't be if we are playing video games), lets start there, right?

Obviously there isn't a single motivator behind behavior. That's why I said it was the most important motivator, not the only one. I'm assuming everyone on this forum has satisfied safety, belonging, food, shelter. If you haven't and you're playing video games, you have bigger problems than we can deal with here....

True enough. Only about 30% of your kids (We're number 1 *fist bump*) and 70% of adults (Woot! number 1 again).

Mr Epeen

People need to fulfil their fundamental needs for survival to 'feel important'?

You ever asked someone on disability, who's pretty much just fulfilling his basic needs, how important he feels? How greedy he feels?

Dale Carnegie is not an academic authority, he's a self-help 'guru'. Guys like him are a dime a dozen, and I could cite any number of people that contradict him. Without academic verification, none of their claims hold any real water. Cite something academic, even if it's just social 'science' by a communications major, if you don't mind.