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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#2321 - 2012-01-09 10:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
if CCP really wanted a feature like walking on stations, walking on planets,, walking on whatever lol, they'd do it.

lease the Creation Engine, lease Havok Physics, hell maybe even just lease skyrim and mod it to fit the eve storyline.

there ya go, a single player game connected to the eve unniverse.

could it be made multi player,,, hmmm i'd say so,,, would you want it to be multi player ?

maybe sinlge player would be enough.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2322 - 2012-01-09 11:15:21 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

We've had no features for years.

You are playing the wrong game.


no u

Thanks. I usually don't get such immediate feedback when I've won an argument...most of the people who fall before my superior logic and posting just disappear.


no u
Lexmana
#2323 - 2012-01-09 11:45:58 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

The people who rioted and canceled their accounts were sending a message that if CCP continued to waste time on WiS nonsense that they weren't going to continue to pay every month for access to the game.

So it was WiS that caused the riots and not WoD , Dust, Ishukone scorpion, Aurum, golden ammo or the fearless newsletter.

Never stop posting.


It was WiS since it was their intended platform for everything in the fearless newsletter. From CCPs point of view, WiS was there to market NEX - that should have been obvious for everyone by now. They don't have any gameplay developed. All they have is NEX, AUR and barbies.

Now they have come to their senses and realized that their core business is internet spaceships (duh!). Don't expect them to 1) develop a completely new concept of WIS and 2) solve all technical limitations of their current avatar engine, anytime soon.

Expect them to continue work on internet space ships, most of their customers do.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2324 - 2012-01-09 11:47:45 UTC
Ok .. so WiS is the devil in closet.. fine Shocked

What about some information about Ambulation release ? Big smile
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2325 - 2012-01-09 12:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Ai Shun wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not.


So CCP Guard provided an answer of - "We don't know yet, we'll tell you when we know."

What more do you want? Or, what type of answer would satisfy you?


Anything with a time frame.

Perhaps there is currently no working concept.

Perhaps there are currently no developers working ON a concept.

Perhaps there is currently nobody on staff with the capacity to explain when someone is going to start working on a new concept.

What I would personally like to know is where are we on this timeline, and how much time is going to be between each of these parts.

Saying something like, "Hey, we're working on space stuff now, but we'll start working on a new concept around summer and will probably start devoting resources to it by winter" would be acceptable. That would at least give a better idea of when to expect things to start rolling. Currently all we have is an ambiguous "we'll let you know, bro. don't worry bout it."

I think I've watched those faction warfare guys get beaten with that ugly stick enough to know it doesn't lead anywhere good.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2326 - 2012-01-09 13:36:56 UTC
^^ Agreed. CCP could create a new generation of bitter players with this if they are not careful.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2327 - 2012-01-09 15:24:49 UTC
You guys really need to learn how to use the ignore feature and just ignore Harlots posts like I did. Nothing she says is of any value whatsoever. She is ignorant, dense and a sheep follower of Mittani.

Now...to the subject at hand. I think it is fair to say that there is interest in WiS. CCP has stated that they don't know what the future plans are at this point because they haven't thought about it. This due to the rage and hatred from Incarna or whatever illogical crap spawned that completely off the wall response that a bunch if baby players gave to it. Either way it is only a matter of time. CCP will revisit WiS.

I agree with the current direction of EvE. Get the stuff already implemented balanced and fixed before introducing any more new stuff. That also means no new FiS until the current FiS stuff is fixed and balanced and after that WiS should be finished before doing more new FiS stuff.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Misina Arlath
Darkfall Helix
#2328 - 2012-01-09 16:07:50 UTC
I would rather have Walk on Bridge of your spaceship than Walk in Stations.

I love poking around on my spaceship in SWTOR. Hate that I can't fly it though (and no, the SWTOR space combat thing does not equal flying).

Would love to see different flight decks on the different types of ships. Sure, it would only be a novelty factor as actually doing combat would be pretty messy from inside the ship through some clickable screen on the control panels.

Then again, isn't Walk in Stations also a novelty factor at the end of the day?

Either way, Walk in this or Walk in that. More depth and variety to the game can never hurt.

I do know alot of people who dislike EVE simply because their "character" is basically a pixel on the screen surrounded by square boxes and red plus signs, or the ass-end of a non-symmetrical ship at best.

Though they might not add much towards nullsec and the more dedicated playstyles of the game they will still add to the game in other ways. Afterall, without miners there is no ore. Without ore there are no minerals. With no minerals there are no ships, modules, ammo, weapons and so forth.. without ships and guns there is no PvP. With no PvP no ammo is used or ships are being destroyed. No ships being destroyed means no market for the miners.

It's all a big, happy, symbiotic relationship from bot, to carebear to PvP'er.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2329 - 2012-01-09 17:31:02 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Gummy Plaude wrote:
Asking for "EVE content" is just as shadowy as asking for WiS.

No it's not. The reason I use the term "real Eve content" is because back when CCP was still in crazy mode they kept insisting that there was WiS (walking in stations) content and FiS (flying in space) content. After wasting two years ignoring FiS and thousands of people canceling their accounts they woke up to the fact that FiS is what the players want. The success of the crucible expansion and the fact that people aren't leaving the game in droves any longer backs that up.


expansion? lol 4 new ships and a new background is a new expansion?


And the next expansion? automatic shipspinning and DUST?

R.S.I2014
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2330 - 2012-01-09 18:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuka Solo
Doc Fury wrote:

Stuff


Cool story bro.

Honesty like that between strangers makes me grow a long rubbery one.

And that's Mr 2006 player with a Miss 2008 forum alt to you, Mr 2007 forum warrior with a smug complex.

While we are being honest.....

If players could opt not to feed pvp maniacs with spaceboat kms by sticking on stations and carebearing their lives away, you'd all rage quit citing a complete lack of people to blow up, blame space barbie optional game play for breaking your game and vote with your wallets. Good on you. God bless capitalism and all that. Personally, I'd like to think the resulting flood of 12 year old teen girls in Eve to replace the angry virgin 20 somethings that would bail in such an event, would be a welcome change. Then again, if we all lived together without this drama, CCP would have more profits and development would go allot faster than it has up until now. Alas.

Do I want 100% safe zones in WiS? Of course not. Give me my small arms so I can finally kill Mittens over and over again out of spite, when he makes a speech on some outpost while campaigning for a spot on the next CSM.

Was I looking forward to WiS? Damn straight.

Was I looking forward to the CQ? You betcha.

Yes, the way the CQ was implemented initially (I.E, forced unto the world with no option button) did not sit well with me either. But my god did I enjoy it more than the ship spinning screen I've seen for 6 years, ever since the old classic software driven client with 56k dial-up bandwidth requirements.

Did I want the transfer button setup we have now on the first release? Yes.

Did I get it? No.

Was I angry and mobbed statues in Jita or rage quit to drive home the impact on the bottom line? Hell no.

Was there a need for it? You'd all like to think so, but CCP is smarter than that and would have realized the mistake via forum feedback without financial threats and mass planned insurrectionist sub cancellations at the expense of realizing the Future vision for Eve just to satisfy the same old nerds they've been feeding for the past decade. Did those nerds support Eve up until now? Yup. But you wont be the last. WoW is that way if you feel like voting with your wallet ->.
Enjoy it.

Do you see me making angry posts about how much Incarna sucked? No. In fact, I hold the best expansions Eve ever saw was:

Trinity
Tyrannis
Incarna

Preferably in that order.

The worst one ever was Dominion.

Could Incarna have been implemented better? Absolutely.

Did I look forward to the Nex store? Yes.

Do I look forward to Harlot's garbage posts? He'd like to think so.

There is common ground in this WiS/FiS/W-0P (which will make WiS look like a picnic when we eventually get to it) face off. But sadly, every FiS monkey, you included, failed to state the obvious:

And that is that CCP has been feeding you FiS expansions for Eve's ENTIRE existence. They deviated from FiS for 1-2 expansions and you people lost it in the most visually, emotionally driven tantrum mankind has ever seen in the MMO world. Your like a 3 year old that suddenly gets a baby sibling and isn't the center of attention anymore, then proceeds to burn down the house while mommy and daddy are sleeping because it makes you feel better. How dare they have other children and not ask my permission first. You'll sure show them.

Puberty must be so hard.

I find it highly amusing that FiS people demand dev blogs that number multiple pages regarding small things like the low hanging fruit Crucible gave us and this precious CSM demanded at gun point. Everything from the color of the underwear that the dev responsible for the code is wearing, right down to his great grandmother's wet dreams.

But when people want the same level of detail regarding the future of WiS beyond "its on ice for now and you'll maybe get it later", then the FiS crowd get all hawt under the collar. Yes Harlot, that was for you. How dare we care.

And please, you need some new excuses beyond "it'l break eve you noob". That one is as old as mummified pharaohs and just as sexy as Gadaffi is now.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#2331 - 2012-01-09 19:12:36 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Gummy Plaude wrote:
Asking for "EVE content" is just as shadowy as asking for WiS.

No it's not. The reason I use the term "real Eve content" is because back when CCP was still in crazy mode they kept insisting that there was WiS (walking in stations) content and FiS (flying in space) content. After wasting two years ignoring FiS and thousands of people canceling their accounts they woke up to the fact that FiS is what the players want. The success of the crucible expansion and the fact that people aren't leaving the game in droves any longer backs that up.


expansion? lol 4 new ships and a new background is a new expansion?


And the next expansion? automatic shipspinning and DUST?


Don't forget adding some bonuses to a ship class. I'm sure they're pretty exhausted after that. I'd be surprised if they get shipspinning bots into the initial release.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#2332 - 2012-01-09 19:14:12 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

Stuff


*RABBLE RABBLE*



Issler Dainze, is that you?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2333 - 2012-01-09 19:16:10 UTC
Misina Arlath wrote:
I would rather have Walk on Bridge of your spaceship than Walk in Stations.

I love poking around on my spaceship in SWTOR. Hate that I can't fly it though (and no, the SWTOR space combat thing does not equal flying).

Would love to see different flight decks on the different types of ships. Sure, it would only be a novelty factor as actually doing combat would be pretty messy from inside the ship through some clickable screen on the control panels.

Then again, isn't Walk in Stations also a novelty factor at the end of the day?

Either way, Walk in this or Walk in that. More depth and variety to the game can never hurt.

I do know alot of people who dislike EVE simply because their "character" is basically a pixel on the screen surrounded by square boxes and red plus signs, or the ass-end of a non-symmetrical ship at best.

Though they might not add much towards nullsec and the more dedicated playstyles of the game they will still add to the game in other ways. Afterall, without miners there is no ore. Without ore there are no minerals. With no minerals there are no ships, modules, ammo, weapons and so forth.. without ships and guns there is no PvP. With no PvP no ammo is used or ships are being destroyed. No ships being destroyed means no market for the miners.

It's all a big, happy, symbiotic relationship from bot, to carebear to PvP'er.


Actually, that means of controlling a ship is pretty sound; considering all EVE currently has is pretty much what you would find on a 3D Tactical display on a advanced starship.

With regard to your clone and pod, you could actually improve on the current WiS idea; by making your WiS clone a projection that you control from inside your pod. That way you can be in your pod, and walking around your station environment or ship at the same time.

That is actually more sensible than what we currently have.

Waking up after getting podded would serve to refresh your active Pod clone, and a simple medical duplicate could replace the clone you lost with your ship.

In essence, when you want to stop walking around your ship while floating in space; you approach a interface that puts your clone into a rest state and brings up your standard tactical display. Your Pod clone is now doing all the work, and the WiS clone is in a state of suspended animation.

This could be expanded to allow on ship interfaces that you can use to mine, displays that show your position in space and on grid, as well as the signatures of other ships around you; as well as having various other features available.

The only issue is the obvious one: Lag and WiS to FiS transition in space. Having a 30s delay before you can effectively control your ship in space would be potentially game-breaking; and would more likely end up with you podded on more occaisions than not.

Obviously, if you are cloaked up in a safe spot; you might not have to worry about his as much.

Be nice to have your CQ on ship too, accompanied by a bridge, decks, cargo holds, and other features. That could prove to require a significant amount of development time though; given the number of different ship types and layouts for deck plans that would have to be worked out.

Technically speaking, something one or two talented people could do in the course of a year; provided they used existing assets for the most part, and didn't make the project any more complicated than it has to be.

Not something I'd expect to see for awhile though, if at all.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2334 - 2012-01-09 19:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Asuka Solo wrote:
lots of rambling stuff


2006, I stand corrected, you too got to experience the awe that was RMR then.

You have me confused with someone else if the rest of your opus is directed at me. You are making a lot of assumptions about stuff I never said and don't believe. I think WIS could be beneficial if CCP could just figure out how to do it correctly and they learn how to manage expectations a LOT better. That is, as long as EVE core gameplay does not suffer as it has for several years. Crucible so far is demonstrating that CCP can fix the little things when they want to and they are allowed to focus on FIS as they should be doing. After all, it's their cash cow that lets them gamble on making other projects and jesus features intended to pull in chicks and kiddies.

If it was not directed at me, CSB, and don't trip over your long rubbery one.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#2335 - 2012-01-09 20:09:40 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

Stuff


*RABBLE RABBLE*



Issler Dainze, is that you?


Nope, never post with alts. You'll know if its me.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#2336 - 2012-01-09 20:14:52 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
CCP Guard wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
just give a clear statement about the future of WiS


We can't really give a clear statement on the future of WiS because at this time because we have no updated plan, and only have some ideas rolling around.

WiS is not our top priority for us at the moment at least, while we re-organize everything and sort out some other things, but as soon as we know more, you'll know more (or you know...really soon after as it always takes a little bit of time to write dev blogs and stuff).


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=604426#post604426

jesus christ if you understand english it means, we don't know yet, we will tell you when we do,


Awesome, CCP answerd the WIS question, not here where it is asked but in a factional warfare thread. CCP, masters of communications for sure!

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#2337 - 2012-01-09 20:20:21 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not.


So CCP Guard provided an answer of - "We don't know yet, we'll tell you when we know."

What more do you want? Or, what type of answer would satisfy you?


How would I have any idea he answered since his answer was in a thread about faction warfare, not here. Typical CCP poor communications.

Why wasn't that answer here?

But I agree, it is closer to an answer finally, even if you had to find it somewhere else.

Sad, sounds like WiS is dead.

Issler
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2338 - 2012-01-09 21:37:41 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not.


So CCP Guard provided an answer of - "We don't know yet, we'll tell you when we know."

What more do you want? Or, what type of answer would satisfy you?


How would I have any idea he answered since his answer was in a thread about faction warfare, not here. Typical CCP poor communications.

Why wasn't that answer here?

But I agree, it is closer to an answer finally, even if you had to find it somewhere else.

Sad, sounds like WiS is dead.

Issler


No, it is not dead. It has become that half-assed broken feature nobody is gonna look at for years, a long-standing CCP tradition.

Of course, you, and me, and any sensible company, would inmediately divert some manpower to gather player feedback on WiS and lay the foundations of it until developer bandwith is available for non-FiS, thus giving the impression that you, and me, and any sensible company, do care of what was promised to customers, what they got, and what they do expect next.

But, alas!, it's CCP. What?
Ai Shun
#2339 - 2012-01-09 21:40:48 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Saying something like, "Hey, we're working on space stuff now, but we'll start working on a new concept around summer and will probably start devoting resources to it by winter" would be acceptable. That would at least give a better idea of when to expect things to start rolling. Currently all we have is an ambiguous "we'll let you know, bro. don't worry bout it."


Understood. They've just said they don't know when and you're asking them to tell you when. I can see that ending well.
Taiwanistan
#2340 - 2012-01-10 02:27:08 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

Stuff


Cool story bro.

Honesty like that between strangers makes me grow a long rubbery one.

And that's Mr 2006 player with a Miss 2008 forum alt to you, Mr 2007 forum warrior with a smug complex.

While we are being honest.....

If players could opt not to feed pvp maniacs with spaceboat kms by sticking on stations and carebearing their lives away, you'd all rage quit citing a complete lack of people to blow up, blame space barbie optional game play for breaking your game and vote with your wallets. Good on you. God bless capitalism and all that. Personally, I'd like to think the resulting flood of 12 year old teen girls in Eve to replace the angry virgin 20 somethings that would bail in such an event, would be a welcome change. Then again, if we all lived together without this drama, CCP would have more profits and development would go allot faster than it has up until now. Alas.

Do I want 100% safe zones in WiS? Of course not. Give me my small arms so I can finally kill Mittens over and over again out of spite, when he makes a speech on some outpost while campaigning for a spot on the next CSM.

Was I looking forward to WiS? Damn straight.

Was I looking forward to the CQ? You betcha.

Yes, the way the CQ was implemented initially (I.E, forced unto the world with no option button) did not sit well with me either. But my god did I enjoy it more than the ship spinning screen I've seen for 6 years, ever since the old classic software driven client with 56k dial-up bandwidth requirements.

Did I want the transfer button setup we have now on the first release? Yes.

Did I get it? No.

Was I angry and mobbed statues in Jita or rage quit to drive home the impact on the bottom line? Hell no.

Was there a need for it? You'd all like to think so, but CCP is smarter than that and would have realized the mistake via forum feedback without financial threats and mass planned insurrectionist sub cancellations at the expense of realizing the Future vision for Eve just to satisfy the same old nerds they've been feeding for the past decade. Did those nerds support Eve up until now? Yup. But you wont be the last. WoW is that way if you feel like voting with your wallet ->.
Enjoy it.

Do you see me making angry posts about how much Incarna sucked? No. In fact, I hold the best expansions Eve ever saw was:

Trinity
Tyrannis
Incarna

Preferably in that order.

The worst one ever was Dominion.

Could Incarna have been implemented better? Absolutely.

Did I look forward to the Nex store? Yes.

Do I look forward to Harlot's garbage posts? He'd like to think so.

There is common ground in this WiS/FiS/W-0P (which will make WiS look like a picnic when we eventually get to it) face off. But sadly, every FiS monkey, you included, failed to state the obvious:

And that is that CCP has been feeding you FiS expansions for Eve's ENTIRE existence. They deviated from FiS for 1-2 expansions and you people lost it in the most visually, emotionally driven tantrum mankind has ever seen in the MMO world. Your like a 3 year old that suddenly gets a baby sibling and isn't the center of attention anymore, then proceeds to burn down the house while mommy and daddy are sleeping because it makes you feel better. How dare they have other children and not ask my permission first. You'll sure show them.

Puberty must be so hard.

I find it highly amusing that FiS people demand dev blogs that number multiple pages regarding small things like the low hanging fruit Crucible gave us and this precious CSM demanded at gun point. Everything from the color of the underwear that the dev responsible for the code is wearing, right down to his great grandmother's wet dreams.

But when people want the same level of detail regarding the future of WiS beyond "its on ice for now and you'll maybe get it later", then the FiS crowd get all hawt under the collar. Yes Harlot, that was for you. How dare we care.

And please, you need some new excuses beyond "it'l break eve you noob". That one is as old as mummified pharaohs and just as sexy as Gadaffi is now.

what you want is a useless, frivolous novelty, and costly to make,
the CSM i got my vote's worth, how about you?
and wtf is that comment with the 12yr girls you sick pervo sack of CQ enjoying ****

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."