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would like pledge 20b

Speaking of serious offers, isn't it time to log your alt in and post

Hello there,

As Cista said above me it is very uncommon for a second uncollateralized bond to be offered this shortly after a bond with no collateral. Basically I suggest either finding a way to get the funds another way, postpone your current plan, make your current plan work with less isk, or be prepared for a lot of questions and even then chances are it will not be filled (based on past observations).

I learned the hard way several years ago, expanding too quickly with bond doesn't end well. I had done a few small bonds and had jumped from 2b on my second bond to 15b on a third. I had a great opportunity but it was too big of a jump, in foresight I agree from an outside perspective. I ended up lowering the amount to 5b, I think, which was enough to still do something just not as efficiently but it got filled and I learned from it as well. The lesson was do not get too greedy too fast, it makes it look like you are running a scam to those on the outside.

If you are determined to continue with your current plans I suggest the following:
1) have your current investor say whether or not he is okay with the expansion and have him post it in the thread.
2) Go into more details, your current post is rather cryptic and useless for an investor, include how much have you made with the current bond, why do you want to go to null over staying in empire space, how will the products be sold (moved back to empire or sold locally or something else, etc.) We are not asking for what you are making exactly but we are asking that you show you have thought about this and that you put some effort into your presentation here.

Also I do not put much faith into someone backing their bonds with the promise of buying PLEX, if you could do it you would and not be here, just my view on it. I also find it somewhat suspicions that this bond has a higher interest amount by 50%, this makes it seem like you want to fill it fast, like scam fast not profit fast, if that makes sense.

I hope that this is helpful for you and the best of luck with your plans.

He is unknown so it wouldn't matter much :)

If you imagine your MD credibilty as a ladder that you want to build, each step consists of an actual MD'er getting his money back. There are many MD'ers that are willing to test the credibility of newcomers by giving them (in their eyes) small amounts of money, IF the proposal looks good.
Sadly, your proposal on top of your already running bond does not look good at all.

In my opinion, in terms of the credibility ladder, you gained your first step by having concluded business with I LIKE IT on your first bond. But unfortunately you will be digging yourself a few steps into the ground now if you insist on the current, much too greedy proposal.

If you are serious about having a presence here you should reconsider.

All of the above except more interest. When you gain credibility you lower your interest, that is the natural evolution and what people want to see.

That is frankly a little rich coming from someone trying to run a bank in EVE (with all due respect).

If that's your best job of speculation, you should probably avoid station trading.

All joking aside, it seems I may be trying for too much, too soon. I'm going to reevaluate my needs and wants and possibly come up with a secured bond offering in the near future. Probably gonna buy some BPO's I need anyways and make enough copies to last the duration of the bond.

Thanks for the helpful advice.

ISD, please lock.

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Yes, I'm CODE compliant. Smart business decision IMHO. CODE friendly even. I like the fact they create content. That doesn't mean I'm a scammer. as I understand it, with CODE, you get what you see. Scamming is more of GOON thing I thought. Regardless, it seems I'm found guilty by association, so I guess that is that.

About my second investor: he saw my first bond offering when I made a payment and contacted me about loaning me more. I told him what my plans were and he offered 8bil at 8%. I insisted on a forum post to help to establish more credit. He's not my alt. I have alts, 8 in total, but he's not one of them. Hell, if someone wants to know my alts, 5 minutes of investigation using well known 3rd party websites should crack that case wide open.