EVE General Discussion

I thought the problem with the svipul is one of simple math.

Make the damage bonus (read donuts) additive instead of multiplicative....?
Doesn't the Confessor have a base damage and bonus damage too? Does it not also fare just as well?

I suspect your numbers are skewed by popularity not necessarily by better performance.

Doesn't it seem that adding ships without taking any out (obsolescence) will de facto take them out (by consensus) anyway ? The upshot to that being the game generates content nobody uses, which hardly meets the most basic definition of efficiency. Add to this the thought that if such obvious techno-reason isn't being applied, what sort of reasoning is?

Why yes, I do like wine. How did you know?

I don't know what all the fuss is re: Svipul. I tried flying them a bit and died as much as usual. I see them get killed a lot too, sometimes by me. They can be difficult to kill but hey, so are a lot of things.

This has confounded me a little bit too.

In all my interactions with them, Fozzie, Rise, Larrikin and others clearly have a real professional approach to game design and a lot of their own knowledge.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that these changes were deliberate and they knew ahead of time what the result would be, but wanted to increase the challenge for players and see how we respond. Kind of like tossing a grenade into the game to see how we deal with it.

There's been a few left field changes over the last year or so: Geckos, dscanning immunity, t3d and MJFG that have shaken things up.

D-scan immunity hasn't really been much of an issue, where the others have really shaken things up.

Maybe that's what they were after all along and will eventually change them to fit more into the overall power curve, rather than so far above it.

If that's the case, then the Capital changes are going to be even more of a shake up than they already look.

Yeah but as the svipul is simply a probing gank boat if it became more specialised at ganling wouldn't that just make it more OP?

I'm really curious whose great idea it was.

Who sat there and said this hypothetical small gang vessel would be good for the game? Faster, smaller and with more tank than some cruisers.

Did you know that proven good game design is to allow some leeway with ezmode play styles in mmos? Problem there is that eve isn't a class based game and when anyone can do anything you might as well fly the best thing available.

CCP released the T3Ds to test out their new T3 concept in hopes of ultimately rebalancing the T3Cs based around the T3Ds designs if the test proved successful.

But so far it doesn't look like the test went according to plan and now here we are........

That works in a grind based MMO where you have to buy expansions to get that new content, in EVE this is not the case so it doesn't make sense.

What's a FoTM, Alex, for 800$.

Know your EVE history.

I'd attribute that to incompetence, not a design decision.

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Let me expand on that.


EVE's model isn't based on luring people in with OP content (to then later nerf it again). There are no expansions to buy to unlock it, there are no "premium ships" that should be bought with money and there is no option or reason to pay money to grind faster to gain access to those ships.

Lets look at the Orthus, that is a ship you'd get if you'd give 2 solo/small gang PVPers free reign to design the ultimate kiting ship. It's obvious from its stats, bonuses and range you get with those bonuses that this ship is meant to be gang linked and kite like a mofo. It's ideal and thus, seemingly, a good design but that's the problem: it is ideal and that makes it terrible from a balance pov which ultimately makes it a really bad idea. Coming up with such a ship doesn't make one incompetent, thinking that it's a good plan to actually implement it does, however.

Anyone who can fly a Caracal can pretty much fly an Orthus so there's nothing gained for CCP in regards to luring people into training for it. No "grand design" there, just a love child gone bad.


T3D then, if it were the case that they'd make it OP on purpose to later tone down that would mean that they planned it and thus, also, planned how to tone it down again. Reality is that they introduced them and then fairly quickly did an "oops" nerf, then they ran out of ideas, let it fester for some time and decided that they didn't know what to do so they did something radical and brought in external advisors. That's not a result of "grand design, we know what we're doing", it's a result of incompetence.

T3D didn't add anything to the landscape, many pilots could fly one hours after the patch and others might have to train for another week perhaps. There aren't more players doing whatever because of them, instead they replaced the current landscape some of which took lots of effort and money to balance. Not grand design, just incompetence.


Command Destroyers, rinse and repeat.