EVE General Discussion

When was the last time you had a heartpounding experience in a game and which game was it ?

Remember this commercial directly aimed at EvE and how boring EvE is ?

We'll see when the novelty and shine of SC wears off ...

That's ok. You aren't really an Eve player anyway. Nothing of value will be lost.

Nope. Just more decline in population I suppose along with the others that are leaving.

I really do not want EVE to entice me to stay at this point. It would have to take 100 million crowd funding budget at this point and I don't expect that out of EVE.

I figure everyone that stays wants EVE to go in a certain direction anyways. Don't know if that will pay the bills to keep the server running, but I'm not invested in the game anymore at this point. But I am not really saying EVE is declining in numbers so it should cater to carebears or whatnot. I am just saying that on its current course, less people are going to be playing it because of factors that have nothing to do with EVE.

I am invested in SC after buying a few ships anyways. I decided to do that instead of buying a year sub with EVE.

Its not really EVEs fault and I don't expect it to change.

But people should be considering what happens when it goes like Star Wars Galaxy or Warhammer Online.

But hey... Ultima Online is still around I think.

I'd like to point out that he seriously lacks believability.

I've put 120.000 dollars into SC and my whole group consists of EVE players
waiting to leave the game. Everyone I've talked to says that EVE is too boring and hard
and they can't wait to drop it for the awesome multiplayer experience SC will be.

They also declared me the Queen of eRP and we will create the first group that
dominates the sexual landscape of the game. I'm already counting 3400 customers
and my prostitutes serve around 50 daily.

You don't believe it? Why? Because it sounds silly?
Well... is there any reason to believe someone just because he doesn't sound
like he's lying through his teeth in an easily spottable way?

Nope.

You need to stop believing they'll leave, because it's more likely that they don't.
If's far more likely that the vast majority of these people are just bullshitters.

Addicted people talk a lot about stopping, but they don't stop at all.
And SC will in no way or form provide a proper substitute.

Will we see a drop in active users if it comes out? Sure!
Did the same happen when FallOut came out? Absolutely!
Did it change anything in the long run? Nope!

I don't know what CCP could have changed 1 year ago.

For sure they did not change traders' in game tools, perhaps one of the few still top forgotten features EvE has got.

I agree with this. Ripard Teg pointed at his blog that EVE's development plan for 2013-2016 was "space colonization" and either you bought that, or there was little coming your way.

Back then, I already wondered WHO, exactly, would buy the "space colonization". It sounds exactly as "Apochrypha 2.0" or "more zero sec, no local space but now you can colonize it instead of using POS to wreck the design goals of wormhole space".

Ripard speculated that CCP would make the new space too valuable to be missed by the large alliances, but my opinion was, and is, that wormholers are a tiny minority of the game (about 5%) and most people stays the F out of no-local space, no matter the rewards. As I've said a million times, RISK is the decission making factor in risk vs reward.

So, WHO exactly is going to buy CCP's more riskier-but-more-rewarding player built stargates and new space? Wormholers for sure. Nullseccers...? Only if they can bluel it into their (low) risk level, probably. Lowseccers? Maybe, but they're already having the most fun in game (apparently). Highseccers? No effin way.

The Rubicon Plan, which I mockinlgy nicknamed "The Hallelujah Plan" after Malcanis pointed that it would make people enthusiastic about it, is what CCP wants to sell. But I really, really doubt that it's something the players (the REAL players and not the biased PvP centric vision) want to buy. The Rubicon Plan was conceived and implemented before CCP had the current tools that allow them to know how much people pays them for PvP or PvE. Even now, CCP's ways to engage their customers are easily improvable, and they've hired a new customers officer who may bring interesting novelties to the way CCP deals with customer oriented development.

Customer oriented development revolves around "what experience should the customer have". COD provides intimate rewarding experiences to the customer by giving him what he will enjoy, based on the knowledge of what he's been enjoying. That's the path taken by nullsec sov: being a part of big band in a lagfest has been scuttled in favor of having a closer, more intense fight experience in smaller gorups with less FC automation and higher imapct of personal decissions.

That is fine for PvP experience, but then we have 62% of customers who don't pay CCP for the PvP experience. And their prospective is to get little to nothing while Rubicon plan finishes along 2016 (or maybe 2017) and hope that something comes for them in the post-Rubicon cycle... yet by looking at the PvE plans sketched at Vegas, I seriously wonder who the f*** did CCP talk to about PvE, because their PvE plans are quite different from what PvErs have been asking and are not what PvE needs.

Instigators and enablers drive the game by generating player content, but PvErs are deprived of tools to instigate and enable because these activities always end up with shooting player stuff, and that's what 62% of the customers will not do unless forced to. And even when forced to, they will rather go away from the game than suffer a experience they're not enjoying.

Solecist, each player that goes away without a replacement makes CCP employees 15 €/month closer to losing their jobs. Try to understand how it is to depend on a salary and that salary coming from people making the individual choice of either buy the results of your hard work or don't.

"Meh, I don't want you a customer" is a funny idea but nobody who makes a living by selling his brain's work can really afford it.

So your premise is, people are leaving and not being replaced.

That's speculation, and not worth commenting on without conclusive data. But I've seen more players join than leave, and since experience is all we have to go on, Imma have to dismiss your speculation as paranoia.

And please don't pretend to me you care about CCP's jobs. You care about what you want in EVE, and that's all.

pretty sure anyone who has produced or even dealt with ... f*** it even knows what a niche product is knows that is not how it works.