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Jasmine Cheryu
Sell Now - Cry Later
#1 - 2015-12-10 09:00:41 UTC
Just wanted to make a quick thread regarding the new Endurance mining frigate

Specifically the following role bonus:
300% bonus to Ore Mining yield


After testing and experimenting. I do not believe this role bonus is being applied

Can someone else test independantly for me, to confirm my conclusions please?
Would be greatly appreciated Smile


Cheers o/
Jas
Malcolm from Marketing
Klaatu Technologies
#2 - 2015-12-10 14:11:05 UTC
It's a CCP troll.

There are no bonus's, they just wanted to see who the first miner was that'd come on the forums and bring it up.
HAHA busted . *points finger and laughs*
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#3 - 2015-12-10 15:04:24 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
It's a CCP troll.



Basically, like mining itself

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Jasmine Cheryu
Sell Now - Cry Later
#4 - 2015-12-10 15:17:22 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
It's a CCP troll.

There are no bonus's, they just wanted to see who the first miner was that'd come on the forums and bring it up.
HAHA busted . *points finger and laughs*



I'm not a major miner Big smile -- I'm more of an explorer in wormholes, preying on relic and data sites....

But as an explorer.. I like to 'explore'
I could go further on how many things I enjoy 'exploring' but I fear those posts would be deleted

Therefore, as far as exploring goes, I enjoy exploring all aspects of a new EVE update
Is that so bad? Cool
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#5 - 2015-12-10 15:24:05 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
It's a CCP troll.

There are no bonus's, they just wanted to see who the first miner was that'd come on the forums and bring it up.
HAHA busted . *points finger and laughs*


You can laugh but that is how the 400k SP for new characters pretty much works.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2015-12-10 17:29:13 UTC
Jasmine Cheryu wrote:
Just wanted to make a quick thread regarding the new Endurance mining frigate

Specifically the following role bonus:
300% bonus to Ore Mining yield


After testing and experimenting. I do not believe this role bonus is being applied

Can someone else test independantly for me, to confirm my conclusions please?
Would be greatly appreciated Smile


Cheers o/
Jas


Would you care to elaborate on the results of your testing, or would you like us to just take your word for it? This aint C&P or the nobel prize committee damnit, we need some proofs.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Jasmine Cheryu
Sell Now - Cry Later
#7 - 2015-12-10 17:45:26 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Jasmine Cheryu wrote:
Just wanted to make a quick thread regarding the new Endurance mining frigate

Specifically the following role bonus:
300% bonus to Ore Mining yield


After testing and experimenting. I do not believe this role bonus is being applied

Can someone else test independantly for me, to confirm my conclusions please?
Would be greatly appreciated Smile


Cheers o/
Jas


Would you care to elaborate on the results of your testing, or would you like us to just take your word for it? This aint C&P or the nobel prize committee damnit, we need some proofs.


No problem at all


flying a prospect (with all level 5 skills, including expedition frigates), I can touch at around 3,200 M3(ish) with 2 modulated deep core mining lasers (+ crystals attatched)


now with the endurance.. and its 300% bonus to ore yield.. i'm only touching on around 1600m3 per cycle with a single mining laser (+ crystals attatched) [note: you can only fit 1 mining laser to this varient]



Now am i mistaken in my understanding of the role bonus?
I'm understand it as the following:
If you have 'x m3' as your yield, but the role of the ship is '100% bonus' should be 2x m3? (basically double)

Therefore, using this model, shouldnt the m3 of the single mining laser be 4x larger due to +300% bonus?
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-12-10 17:48:22 UTC
Isn't the Endurance an ice mining ship? If so, then the bonus to "ore" yield should probably read as a bonus to "ice" yield. Try your... "exploration" again.

:ccp:
Jasmine Cheryu
Sell Now - Cry Later
#9 - 2015-12-10 17:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jasmine Cheryu
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
Isn't the Endurance an ice mining ship? If so, then the bonus to "ore" yield should probably read as a bonus to "ice" yield. Try your... "exploration" again.

:ccp:



you're right it is an ice mining ship.. but maybe you should check your exploration, before you post and look at the role bonus's yourself .........


Here i did it for you because some people are just lazy..

https://i.imgur.com/e2RVLEi.png
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-12-10 18:18:44 UTC
With all 5s A single miner with t2 crystal mines
unbonused 328
prospect bonus 1025 = base yield*1.25*1.25*2
endurance bonus 1640 = base yield *1.25*4

looks like it checks out to me. Note the Prospect has 2x turrets so mines a total of 2050. I'm not sure where you are getting 3200 on a prospect, although I may have an idea.

note there is a bug that in station if you swap from one ship to another sometimes the bonuses don't properly update, so it is possible you are looking at a prospect with endurance bonuses.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-12-10 18:31:15 UTC
I derped, my bad.
Kieron VonDeux
#12 - 2015-12-10 18:38:21 UTC
Have you tried mining Ice Ore with it yet?
Jasmine Cheryu
Sell Now - Cry Later
#13 - 2015-12-10 18:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jasmine Cheryu
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Have you tried mining Ice Ore with it yet?


Not yet.. I will be soon (sidenote: would be lovely to have a SMALL ice harvesting rig, instead of just a medium one.. CCPlease)


@Chainsaw Plankton

These are the fittings + stats for my ships:

Prospect:
https://i.imgur.com/Ibq7x3B.png
(note that this is only ONE laser, so 3040m3 for both of them (I got 3200 from fleet boosts I believe))

Endurance:
https://i.imgur.com/eed6XAg.png
(Note that the endurance has 300% bonus, and Prospect has 100% bonus, and one laser from the prospect gives 1520m3)


There is only a difference of 152m3 per cycle between 100% and 300% bonus
The other difference between Prospect and Endurance is the 25%* bonus to the mining via Expedition Frigates skill on the Prospect
(*25% bonus at level V)

That is the basis of my argument, whether or not the role bonus on the Endurance is actually being applied

Hope my screens help
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#14 - 2015-12-10 20:17:15 UTC
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Have you tried mining Ice Ore with it yet?


Of course not! People whined and griped about wanting a dedicated Ice Mining Frigate. Now, when they get what they wanted, all they care about is HOW COME IT DOESNT MINE ORE BETTER?!?!??!!?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Jasmine Cheryu
Sell Now - Cry Later
#15 - 2015-12-10 20:40:35 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Have you tried mining Ice Ore with it yet?


Of course not! People whined and griped about wanting a dedicated Ice Mining Frigate. Now, when they get what they wanted, all they care about is HOW COME IT DOESNT MINE ORE BETTER?!?!??!!?





Made me lol LolRoll

It's true!!
it mines ice great!
But I personally like to fit things which are not usually thought of by the developers and test them out

The ship is fit for the job I wish it to do....
Kieron VonDeux
#16 - 2015-12-10 21:36:25 UTC
Jasmine Cheryu wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Have you tried mining Ice Ore with it yet?


Of course not! People whined and griped about wanting a dedicated Ice Mining Frigate. Now, when they get what they wanted, all they care about is HOW COME IT DOESNT MINE ORE BETTER?!?!??!!?





Made me lol LolRoll

It's true!!
it mines ice great!
But I personally like to fit things which are not usually thought of by the developers and test them out

The ship is fit for the job I wish it to do....



Just a note: If you fit Lazors to a Tempest, you don't get any weapon bonuses. (shouldn't anyways)

Just wanted to save you some time there.

-me



Btw, bug hunters are still probably taking applications.

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#17 - 2015-12-10 22:15:00 UTC
CCP stated in the endurance thread they will not make an small ice/mining rig.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Jasmine Cheryu
Sell Now - Cry Later
#18 - 2015-12-10 22:18:35 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
CCP stated in the endurance thread they will not make an small ice/mining rig.



-has a sad- Sad
Nevermind...
Mithaniel Askiras
C.O.M.E.T. Enterprises
#19 - 2016-01-03 03:51:23 UTC
I was searching the forums for this exact topic because I was coming to a similar conclusion.

Based on the Endurance's listed bonuses, an Endurance with its one laser should yield the exact same amount as a Venture with two lasers. However, the yield I'm seeing from my Endurance is only matching a role bonus of 200% to ore mining, instead of the listed 300%. This results in only 75% of what a Venture yields.

FYI, my calculations are matching in-game yields exactly for both the Venture and Prospect.

I'm building some ice mining lasers as I type and will rerun the yield calcs for the ice to see if that role bonus is applied properly.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#20 - 2016-01-03 05:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Ruckert
Mining topics are the best topics. Just like when playing EVE.

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

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