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[Arek'Jaalan] Project Heliograph

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2016-01-02 16:20:02 UTC
Ways to help the project are up in the announcement.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#22 - 2016-01-02 16:25:17 UTC
So, give you money and then scram. Sounds like you're turning help away.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-01-02 16:36:34 UTC
Colonel! I demand you cease and desist.
Helping them would mean helping enemies of the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2016-01-02 16:56:30 UTC
Accepting help that people can usually provide.

You don't see us running around and conscripting people as data analysts. Those who wish to help in that regard, usually find us on their own.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#25 - 2016-01-02 17:40:47 UTC
That ship has since undocked. Good luck with your gamut of language recordings, and when that fails use images.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2016-01-02 18:02:46 UTC
Thank you. We'll keep progress updates posted. A lot of equipment is arriving right now - phase one will be up and running in no time at this rate.

Of course, a full list of contributors - unless some wish to remain anonymous, in this case I'd appreciate that information - will be published for credit.

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Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#27 - 2016-01-02 19:58:53 UTC
What is the basis of the hypothesis that a new type of transmitter will enable communication with the Drifters?

Observation of the high level of coordination evident from Drifter operations would not seem to indicate any lack of communication tech. I agree with the earlier post that it may be more fruitful to focus on intercepting and analyzing whatever method the Drifters use to communicate among themselves. I think if they wanted to talk to us they would do so. I doubt the problem is that we haven't been transmitting correctly.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2016-01-03 04:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
So-- I see lots of Sleeper, Talocan, and Takmahl materials. What's actually doing the communication? And do you have any leads about the communication protocol?

Also, in keeping with the Arek'jalaan styling, do you plan on publishing material as you go?

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-01-03 07:13:48 UTC
What a minmatar can do during communication with drifters?
I can only assume they just want to surrender and become their slaves. They have quite an experience in that!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2016-01-03 08:13:59 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
So-- I see lots of Sleeper, Talocan, and Takmahl materials. What's actually doing the communication? And do you have any leads about the communication protocol?

Also, in keeping with the Arek'jalaan styling, do you plan on publishing material as you go?


Please clarify if the Talocan and the Takmahl civilisations exist about the same time as the Sleepers. If they do, perhaps they had communicated with one another and the materials may shed light about how inter-civilisation communication was done.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-01-03 11:36:15 UTC
This initiative has my the full support of myself and my support staff. Those uninterested in taking this approach can decry it all they want, but something must be done. There is ceaseless blustering and rhetoric on all sides regarding the "correct" approach to an issue that frankly none of us are fully capable of handling in the traditional manner of "shoot it until it stops," yet meanwhile we are no closer to understanding these entities.

As for the concern over Viriel's involvement, I am less surprised than simply disappointed. Let us not forget that, first and foremost, the infomorph that was Dr. Borkstar is for all intents and purposes deceased. Those old grudges are irrelevant. Beyond that, and at the risk of sounding callous toward an individual that I still call friend, his present physiology makes him particularly suited to the project at hand and potentially instrumental in making any sort of meaningful breakthrough in deciphering the motives and methods of the Drifters.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#32 - 2016-01-03 11:59:26 UTC
As New Eden's greatest living Takmahl archaeologist, I would have to say that the inclusion of the Takmahl items, being several of their scientific texts, at first look, is somewhat unexpected, as the Takmahl were, as everyone should know if they've read my great works on the subject, active in the cluster between 1500 and 2000 years before present, and were not really contemporaries of the "Sleeper" civilisation, or the Talocan, whose activity in New Eden was several thousand years prior.

However, the content may pique the interest of the Drifters, as it includes a large amount of abstract mathematics.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-01-03 12:00:00 UTC
Something must be done, for sure.

And if you want to do something, grab a gun and blow out these biocybernetic brains out of their skulls. Smiling and waving, trying to say "Hi" to those, who are shooting at you, is a pinnacle of stupidity.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Veskin Sentinel
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-01-03 12:51:27 UTC
Let's look back in time. Trying to get a broader view of the picture.

It started with the Caroline's Star event. Then Jovian listening towers started decloaking around the cluster. Then we met the Circadian Seekers, who were peacefully scanning around, looking for something. They did not attack anyone, even those of us that started shooting at them. So many of us kept shooting these sleeper drones, until they began to retaliate. Obviously these Seekers were looking for something, but they did not represent a threat... not until they interfered with our interests to study the Jovian listening towers.

Even with those circumstances at hand, can you just commit to an aggressive behaviour to something that you haven't seen before, something or someone that you know nothing about?

Aggression against the Seekers brought the Drifrters. Or so it seems. Maybe the events are not actually connected? Who knows... They are more than capable to put up a fight against us. In the meantime we utilized some sleeper tech for a new line of ships. I have no idea what Amarrians did to provoke the Drifter agression upon their empire.

Can you sense the irony in this? We provoke someone that we know nothing about and when they retaliate, we declare them as the aggressor... And we start defending ourselves. The Drifters are a threat to us just as much as we are a threat to them.

So trying to communicate is the obvious thing. This doesn't mean that we will still collaborate with them even if we establish a contact. Well, guns will not settle the conflict, as you may already see. But I guess whatever we do it will be completely natural. We gotta deal with the consequences...

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2016-01-03 13:23:20 UTC
Also note that the principles applied to the fabrication of transmitters are also the same principles applied to the fabrication of receivers. What can be used to send can also be used to receive.

Understanding these principles and fabricating these transceivers are the beginning steps of information warfare against the Drifters, if we can't sue for peace with them.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2016-01-03 14:49:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Trii Seo
The inclusion of Takmahl mostly came from people dropping by with various amounts of Takmahl stuff. The biggest focus of this operation is on Sleeper data, then on Talocan.

As Talocan wreckage is often found among Sleeper within Anoikis, it's possible that they co-existed for a period of time or one discovered the ruins of the other. If that's the case, documents from one may contain references to the other - and we may be able to fill in the blanks.

There are a few leads and theories as to how the communication protocol works - but, I can't really step up and say "this is how it works" at this point. Still need to commit some time to analysis. As it is an Arek'Jaalan venture, yep - we will publish reports from each phase.

And Kimmie, your... input is appreciated, but I think at this point the situation has escalated beyond just brutish, aggressive behavior. You should focus your effort on the Federation and Sansha you hate so much, wrap up the other two before you open up a third front.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#37 - 2016-01-03 18:15:01 UTC
Quattras Peione wrote:

As for the concern over Viriel's involvement, I am less surprised than simply disappointed. Let us not forget that, first and foremost, the infomorph that was Dr. Borkstar is for all intents and purposes deceased. Those old grudges are irrelevant. Beyond that, and at the risk of sounding callous toward an individual that I still call friend, his present physiology makes him particularly suited to the project at hand and potentially instrumental in making any sort of meaningful breakthrough in deciphering the motives and methods of the Drifters.


With due respect, given Borkstar's history with regard to handling resources purportedly for the common good, you surely understand our concern. Did Borkstar ever, for instance, actually divvy up the salvage for that one Arek'jalaan operation he participated in? Did Viriel né Borkstar ever resolve that debt? Or did that gene therapy and amnesia wipe the slate for his various acts of malfeasance? Interestingly, we ran into similar issues on the several cases when né Borkstar participated in Consortium operations; he dawdled a bit, salvaging scrap and hanging back while the fleet engaged, cloaking while we fought the Vigilant Tyrannos, saying he'd provide half of the salvage to the Consortium, and he never did. Out of an overgrown sense of obligation, I still paid him for his participation in those operations.

In brief, I would say that the amnesiac né Borkstar may be operating under a new CONCORD ID, and may be much more mild-mannered than his prior identity, but the fruit does not fall far from the tree.

As for the project generally, I'm very curious about what sort of communication protocol is going to be used.

The inclusion of covert research tools is initially a curious one, but does make some sense in that they are associated with the non-signatory groups' research of warp-mediation technology. However, I do find it odd that you're not also gathering Antikythera Elements, nor using Ascendancy implants as a control system for capsuleer integration.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2016-01-03 18:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Quattras Peione
Ms. Priano, with all due respect, I believe you are being a bit myopic in this case. If you take issue with entrusting Viriel with research materials - which is, of course, your prerogative - there are alternative contacts, namely this Gravonere fellow. Whether or not I agree with any character evaluations made is irrelevant, he is uniquely suited to assist in this project, mild cowardice aside.

As for you, Diana... Any who know me personally are well aware that my preferred means of dealing with problems of this scale is to look my opponent in the eye, face-to-face, and then empty their brainpan with a slugthrower. It's brutish and primitive but also effective and decisive. That said, it's simply not viable in this situation and I for one would love to see what happens when you attempt to do that which you advocate for the rest of us. After all, hypocrisy is hardly becoming of a soldier.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2016-01-03 19:03:21 UTC
Well, it's worth keeping in mind that the current material list involves materials centered around research - not construction itself.

As for a capsuleer integration - in theory, including such subsystem would imply the need for one of us to control it. This is a course of action I'd very much like to avoid and construct a system that is fully automated. The need to control has always sparked conflicts about who gets to do it. Conflict is what this project needs the least.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-01-03 19:49:33 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Well, it's worth keeping in mind that the current material list involves materials centered around research - not construction itself.

As for a capsuleer integration - in theory, including such subsystem would imply the need for one of us to control it. This is a course of action I'd very much like to avoid and construct a system that is fully automated. The need to control has always sparked conflicts about who gets to do it. Conflict is what this project needs the least.

Absolutely agreed. Neutral objectivity is paramount in an endeavor such as this; there can be no room for even the appearance of bias.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.