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Is there any realistic way for a T1 Industrial to escape an attack ?

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Druuna Charante
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-12-31 17:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Druuna Charante
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Druuna Charante wrote:
In highsec, the max safe value in a tanked T1 transport is around 50 million ISK.
The best defense is not being an economicaly worthy target.

As someone who ganks T1s on a regular basis and also moves quite a bit of loot around I strongly disagree with putting arbitrary numbers on the amount you should carry. If you know what you are doing you can easily carry billions in a T1, if there are better options you should use them but it can certainly be done with very little risk in a T1.
On the flipside, some gankers will gank you empty if you give them the option. This is the main reason to not put arbitrary numbers on it.


I agree with you about arbitrary number but with these rules I have yet to be ganked. I know that someday it will happend tho.

Some people like to fly with maximum safety settings.
Paranoid Loyd
#22 - 2015-12-31 18:48:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Druuna Charante wrote:
Some people like to fly with maximum safety settings.
To each his own, but you are unnecessarily pigeonholing yourself.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-12-31 19:00:18 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Okay, I might have a good example on how NOT to do it

Edit:

Yes, I know it's old.
Yes, I learned SmileSmile

And yes, I have proof PLEX actually CAN drop on death CoolLol


EDIT:

Wow, 4 PLEX = 2 bil...the good old days.

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Druuna Charante
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-12-31 19:21:39 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Druuna Charante wrote:
Some people like to fly with maximum safety settings.
To each his own, but you are unnecessarily pigeonholing yourself.


It's not pigeonholing. I have seen enougth threads of people ragequitting after losing all their stuff after a gank. When you are a new player, this kind of losses are crippling.

It's not unreasonable in this game to start safely and take time to learn.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#25 - 2015-12-31 19:39:16 UTC
Druuna Charante wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Druuna Charante wrote:
Some people like to fly with maximum safety settings.
To each his own, but you are unnecessarily pigeonholing yourself.


It's not pigeonholing. I have seen enougth threads of people ragequitting after losing all their stuff after a gank. When you are a new player, this kind of losses are crippling.

It's not unreasonable in this game to start safely and take time to learn.


The HP route is for people who expect to get caught/be a gank target, the smart route is for people who make sure they don't become a target by using cloak/mwd trick, and then the whole isk/EHP "rule" is null and void. I've hauled billions in a T1 hauler that way, it's all about how good you are at what you're doing.


To the OP, you can survive low sec just fine in a hauler if you do it right but there are some systems that you really shouldn't bother trying, Eghelende is one of those.

For more info watch these:

cloak/mwd trick
Low sec travel
Paranoid Loyd
#26 - 2015-12-31 19:42:18 UTC
Druuna Charante wrote:
It's not pigeonholing.

It is, I have linked in this thread the one key to keeping yourself safe. If you learn and understand how that works, you are going to be perfectly safe 99.9% of the time.

Druuna Charante wrote:
I have seen enougth threads of people ragequitting after losing all their stuff after a gank.
That's because they were ignorant and/or greedy not to mention entitled when they shouldn't be. It's only when you don't do your homework and educate yourself that bad things happen. That's how this game is designed.

Druuna Charante wrote:
When you are a new player, this kind of losses are crippling.
No not really, it just seems like it is. It happened to me, it happens to all of us. You either figure out what went wrong and change your tactics or you give up. Giving up when you get ganked simply means this game is not what you are looking for and probably should look for other games that are not as competitive.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Edward Deegan
#27 - 2015-12-31 20:03:59 UTC
All good above suggestions. Here's a Reload video.

Hauling Into Low Sec - EVE Online

EVE is easy.

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#28 - 2015-12-31 20:10:51 UTC
Edward Deegan wrote:
All good above suggestions. Here's a Reload video.

Hauling Into Low Sec - EVE Online



That video is really bad, do NOT use cloak/mwd that way as it's going to get you caught.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-12-31 20:19:05 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
That's because they were ignorant and/or greedy not to mention entitled when they shouldn't be. It's only when you don't do your homework and educate yourself that bad things happen. That's how this game is designed.

We had a player in here just about a week ago that was asking for all kinds of help and advice. He ignored all of it, did mostly the opposite of what we told him and then made a ragequit post saying that this game was too hard right before he/she biomassed the toon.

I am uncertain what would make someone come to this game and try to make it something that it is not instead of playing it for what it is. I know that I probably did a lot of that early on as well, I'm not criticizing I'm just saying there is something there that I don't understand.

Regardless we see a bit of what Loyd is talking about here. People coming to this game and doing exactly what a new player should not be doing and in many cases likely because us vets told them that new players should not be doing it and then ragequit claiming the game is too hard or too steep of a learning curve when it is just them choosing the hard path.
Paranoid Loyd wrote:

Druuna Charante wrote:
When you are a new player, this kind of losses are crippling.
No not really, it just seems like it is. It happened to me, it happens to all of us. You either figure out what went wrong and change your tactics or you give up. Giving up when you get ganked simply means this game is not what you are looking for and probably should look for other games that are not as competitive.

On the competitive ------------ cooperative spectrum I think of my self as way off on the cooperative side. However we want to look at it my personality type prefers less competitive things. There is a lot of room in this game for cooperative leaning players, you just need a little more patients.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-12-31 20:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Druuna Charante wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Druuna Charante wrote:
Some people like to fly with maximum safety settings.
To each his own, but you are unnecessarily pigeonholing yourself.


It's not pigeonholing. I have seen enougth threads of people ragequitting after losing all their stuff after a gank. When you are a new player, this kind of losses are crippling.

It's not unreasonable in this game to start safely and take time to learn.


Uhm, have you opened the link above your post, obviously not.


Let me recap:

Started in Sept 2010.
Dropped a lot of money in EVE in Feb 2011 (still a noob)
Undocked with a badger (aka Tayra) from Jita 4-4 with a hold full of goodies (see link).
Lost all stuff (including 4 PLEX).
Recovered and learned from the mistake (sort of)

And, voila

I'm still here....


So, any loss a new player has that is "crippling" is only so, because HE/SHE chooses to see it that way. If that is the case, then EVE just isn't for you and you should continue your search for a game that does suit you. Nothing wrong with not liking EVE (hell, my friends think I'm weird cause I play EVE - Okay, maybe they are right), but that is NOT the game's fault.

Nuff said

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Druuna Charante
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-12-31 21:28:11 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Druuna Charante wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Druuna Charante wrote:
Some people like to fly with maximum safety settings.
To each his own, but you are unnecessarily pigeonholing yourself.


It's not pigeonholing. I have seen enougth threads of people ragequitting after losing all their stuff after a gank. When you are a new player, this kind of losses are crippling.

It's not unreasonable in this game to start safely and take time to learn.


Uhm, have you opened the link above your post, obviously not.


Let me recap:

Started in Sept 2010.
Dropped a lot of money in EVE in Feb 2011 (still a noob)
Undocked with a badger (aka Tayra) from Jita 4-4 with a hold full of goodies (see link).
Lost all stuff (including 4 PLEX).
Recovered and learned from the mistake (sort of)

And, voila

I'm still here....


So, any loss a new player has that is "crippling" is only so, because HE/SHE chooses to see it that way. If that is the case, then EVE just isn't for you and you should continue your search for a game that does suit you. Nothing wrong with not liking EVE (hell, my friends think I'm weird cause I play EVE - Okay, maybe they are right), but that is NOT the game's fault.

Nuff said



I am not complaining, i have been subbed for three years and I am happy with the game.

The ambiance on the forum is very competitive but a lot of people are enjoying the game in a more relaxed way and don't ask for nerf or changes. This is a new player forum. It is important to tell the new player that they can play the way they want as long as they don't do stupid things.

Eve is probably one of the most causual friendly mmo on the market. You give advices about competitive play, I give advice about causual play.
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#32 - 2016-01-02 23:58:47 UTC
Xotcl Gaterau wrote:
In my short career I've been destroyed by another player only two times, both times by the same player and in the same system, Eggelend.

He must camp the gate into Eggelend.

I'm flying a T1 industrial.

I've read about Safe Spots, and mods designed to allow you try to escape being warp scrambled, but I'm wondering whether its even worthwhile trying to do anything about it in T1 industrial.

Advice?

Thanks.


Slap some Warp Core Stabilizers, get ships Effective Hit Points around 3000 and you good to go. Bear
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#33 - 2016-01-03 00:29:22 UTC
For what it is worth, if it hasn't been mentioned already, a Blockade Runner is nigh unstoppable in lowsec (baring pilot error, or extremely bad luck).

As for T1 Industrials, I find they are only suitable for short-haul usage in "relatively safe" environments.

Example: Used T1 Industrials for years for doing PI in w-space, where the Industrial is only warping between a POS and a POCO. If caught (happened only once to me), it isn't a major loss.

In hisec, I'd state that a T1 Industrial is just fine for moving things in-system, or short-hauls between systems (same constellation, or same region), but as soon as you want to move through regions, or worse through well-known choke-points, or even worse to major trade hubs, then a T1 Industrial is just a loss-mail waiting to happen.

The Nereus is the only Industrial known for PvP, but that's with a niche fit, and a cargo filled with cap booster charges.

Example:

[Nereus, Murderer]

Damage Control II
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

10MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I


Hobgoblin II x3
Warrior II x3
Netan MalDoran
Cathedral.
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2016-01-03 04:52:23 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:

In hisec, I'd state that a T1 Industrial is just fine for moving things in-system, or short-hauls between systems (same constellation, or same region), but as soon as you want to move through regions, or worse through well-known choke-points, or even worse to major trade hubs, then a T1 Industrial is just a loss-mail waiting to happen.


Eh, I see where you are going with this, but I just hauled a 600 mil badger out of Dodixie with no problem, granted it was tanked and stabbed out the ass, but not even one person tried to lock me.

Just gotta be smart OP, barring the exception of bad luck.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2016-01-04 00:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Egg is always camped. There are also a lot of "bait" sells and bids placed in Egg deliberately placed to induce people to go there. If your not experienced at PvP there are plenty of other ways into losec that are much less likely to be camped 24/7 .

In terms of taking T1s into lowsec generally ( as opposed to Egg which is heavily camped) their are two main options:

  1. lots of stabs and hope they do not get too many scrams on you
  2. lots of nanos or istabs to align quicker and use the Cloak/MWD trick (look it up)
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2016-01-04 01:32:44 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
but not even one person tried to lock me.

Most people that are scanning looking for victims are not going to tip their potential victims off that someone is window shopping through their cargohold by letting them know that they have been locked and scanned.

For those that are not aware there is suck a thing as a passive targeting module. It allows one to target another player and cargo scan them without the scanned character being alerted to the fact that it is happening by showing a yellow box.

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