Intergalactic Summit

And which parts of the following contradicted anything you said (as below)?





Black Eagles still operate according to their purposes: attacking the enemies of the Federation, often via very shady and legally controversial methods and rooting out spies and collaborators. Only difference is that there's oversight so they can't just nilly nally whack anyone out of mere suspicion (if they do that Roden's going to appear at their desks with an order for an explanation). That means no rounding up citizens who simply said something nice about the Caldari. They actually need to be able to present evidence that said citizen is really a spy or collaborator on demand now.

Considering Roden's history with the Foiritan administration, and especially Mentas Blaque, such measures are unsurprising in the slightest. Just look at any public footage of Roden interacting with Blaque. You can see the sparks fly, and it ain't the good kind.

By the way, they are still reading our posts as we speak.

If you aren't staying inside Federation space stealing critical Federation intel or talking to anyone who is already flagged as Caldari spies, you will be fine.

If you live outside the Federation and doing something really interesting and rather threatening at a glance, you can expect them to snoop around. Safeguard everything. They are still capable of causing trouble.

Don't worry too much about it. Other than the black site thing they are still your typical militant Intelligence Agency. You know, the usual snooping around, poking noses into people's Evemails, rummaging through your thrash, that kind of thing.

Roses are red, Caracals fire missiles and the Intelligence Agencies read your Evemails.

I do not think capsuleers could really be threatened by baseliner powers (CONCORD excepted) on their own jurisdiction...

On baseliner jurisdictions however, probably.

If you haven't experienced something yourself it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And bomb your quarters while you sleep, amongst other things.

While your question was not directed to me, I will hazard an answer.

One should never be afraid my dear, If ones actions are honest and just.

But if your actions pose a direct threat to the peace and stability of our Federal Union… then I must regretfully say yes, you or yours are a legitimate operational target.

"Just" is a subjective idea, though. Half the time, "honest" seems to be, too. The closest thing to an objective standard ... is the last. Threats to peace and stability.

Huh.

There's a curious sort of contradiction in the principle that ideas should be allowed to compete against one another in peace: the principle can only be realized as long as the society as a whole keeps thinking so. You let people like the Amarr or the Sani compete for believers and play at democracy ...

But you can't let them win, can you? If they get close, the rules will have to change or you'll lose the civilization. Your open society will close in your face, and you'll be stuck on the wrong side of the door.

That would explain this:



... which you say forthrightly, although it should be obvious that there's no shortage of possible rationales for violence-- to a thoughtful person or to anyone else. All that's needed is a sophisticated-ish worldview that justifies it, and the world's not short on those.

The philosophical dagger, here, is in the base assumption that a "thoughtful man" would need your rationale in the first place. It's an implicit denunciation of other methods of justification. The same implicit suggestion is present in the very act of arguing your beliefs rather than fighting over them-- that this is the right way to do it. Other perspectives get a say, but any perspective that leads towards a more closed society is handicapped by the normative subtext inherent in the very rules you're playing by.

You can't guarantee stability without socio/philosophically playing to win in your own peaceful battle of ideas, so that's exactly what you do.

Much like the universalist Amarrian faith, though, this binds you into an adversarial relationship with people who don't agree. Peace is possible (actually, it plays to your advantage), but you can't stop pushing at the margins or you risk losing ground within your own borders. Recognize that other perspectives are valid, and you risk losing your open society to one of those other perspectives becoming too popular.

Hm.

It reminds me of the ideas in the Pax Amarria, but it seems like you might be inherently locked into it. The Pax just presents peaceful persuasion as an effective and morally correct strategy. It seems like you can't depart very far from it as a primary strategy without losing your open society-- if persuading people to agree with you ever stops being the optimal strategy, your social keystone goes "poof," and the whole structure starts looking rickety.

Only if they have a very good reason to.

Don't give them that reason and you will be fine.

Politics can kiss my *censored*. We fight not for some installed by brainwashing ideals of freedom or similar destructive and inhumane concepts. We fight for what is real.
We fight for our homes. We fight for our families. For our corporations and our kirjuun.
We fight for our Homeworld, we fight for our workers and CEOs weren't be destroyed by some nyxes, ramming in our stations.
We fight for quality life of Caldari people without fear of being attacked, robbed, beaten on killed on city streets just because they are Caldari.
We fight for the space that we have colonized (Black Rise), defending it from greedy occupants, who lay their claims on it.

We fights for our property and our people, not for some empty words, ideals or CEOs. Because Caldari State is not just CEP, Caldari State is not just Corporations and their CEOs, but Caldari State is every Caldari, who work together for the common good of all the Caldari.


Where the will resides, there will be no place for freedom and politics.


Your principles though can't provide rational, unlike ours. Since while we fight your military, you fight against our civilians and against captives. And thoughtful man in your principles will see only pusillanimity, cowardice and hatred.


Have you just suggested that to save Caldari Prime from gallentean occupants we have to destroy whole Luminaire system?..