Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Afk cloaky campers are just campbear fluff for players with PvE (or margin trading, or scamming) financed multiple accounts.

Which is why the devs are going to change it to render being undocked, in hostile space, afk, and safe (4/4) to at least nominally vulnerable.

I want to know how you got you power of telepathy? You seem to be reading the devs minds about things that nobody has said a word about in months.

This thread is about a fictisious problem that would be solved by a large dose of HTFU.

You are aware that the value of moongoo was nerfed 2 years ago and it made the big alliances have to come up with rental-plans to keep their funding up? The only people complaining about someone being in their system are sov-null ratters. If you are so worried about moongoo, go kill the POS

The notion that moon goo is something just "nullbears" do is laughable as it has been something that lead me to lots of fleets and fights. When IT Alliance first made its move back to NS we attacked Pandemic Legion's moon mining operations in Syndicate, Outer Ring, Aridia and Solitude before pushing into Fountain. Similarly with being part of the CFC/Imperium, we would go after the alliance/coalition level money makers--moons. When moon goo was nerfed and renting became a primary source of revenues for groups like PL and the Northern Coalition that was an interesting example in how mechanics changes can impact the meta game. Suddenly Goons did a 180 on rental income and created the Greater Western Co-Porsperity Sphere.

It wasn't until several years later that I actually started doing stuff with moon goo, and even then it was at the corporation level. I was helping to run a corp reaction farm. I got paid to do it, but the bulk of the ISK went to the corporation.

And the isk/hour can be reasonably high, but it is almost always done at a corporation level or even an alliance level--i.e. that ISK flows into the corporate or alliance wallets, NOT individual player wallets. Even a reaction farm has a high fixed cost (all those POS and POS modules, and the raw moon good that needs to be reacted) and there is some fairly decent amount of logistics involved as well. In short, it is something done by many different players vs. 1 player.

You can really spot the person who does not know what the **** he is talking about in this thread.

Morrigan
False.

Location accuracy as a function of time would not break ATK cloaked activity for as long as a dscan cue is given the cloaked ship notifying it that the hunt is on and thus triggering avoidance tactics.

A few thoughts.

Yes, the stratios is a surprisingly strong ship for one that can fit a covert ops cloak. It can have quite a bit of tank (for a cloaking ship) field a nasty flight of drones, and if you put neuts in the highs drain a ratting ship's cap damn fast. So it is often the ship of choice for active hunting of ratting ships. It is grounds for reasonable discussion that it might need a balance pass.

However, that is for active hunters, not AFK cloaking. Many of the points regarding AFK cloaking still remain even if the cloaked ship is a stratios.

As for the new grid size, yeah that is likely to engender quite a bit of balance issues and cloaking might be one.

As for blowing up a citadel, yeah that is true you wont be "safe" indefinitely, but blowing one up is not like you come in and entosis it and watch it explode. In fact, according to this Dev Blog, the entosis link will not work on citadels. Further, while you'll die if you are docked there, your stuff in your personal hangar will be moved to a nearby NPC station or friendly citadel. It looks like CCP will still intend for these structures to be killed by fairly large fleets (well, relative to the citadel size).

It's not broken either way.

And PvE should never be safe.

If ones belief is that cloaking is working as intended its obvious that any change would impact there traditional mindset regarding the matter. The dogma around the idea that cloaking is working as intended without a hard direct counter is flawed. You just shouldn't be able to be safe anywhere in space unlocked and as of citadel even docked. Not even cloaked. Clearly if you don't believe in this then you shouldn't have any problems with the idea of having ANY form of offensive ability on a cloaking ship. Yet we do ergo the **** storm we are in, 250+ pages.

Except a cloaked ship do have the ability to turn of the cloak and attack its opponent when the outcome is desirable. The opposite doesn't hold.