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Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
#41 - 2015-12-30 19:51:57 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
You asked me about the trying.
You say people try all the time.

That's great, however while everyone can learn to play chess ...
... it doesn't mean everyone's smart enough to grasp advanced strategies.


True, however may I point out again, we have no reason to believe that their is things within the game at this point in time that no one has discovered or that anything actually exists within Jovian space. Its basically just a dev playground where things are tested on the main server and the AT is held.
Solecist Project
#42 - 2015-12-30 20:07:05 UTC
Roderick Raholan wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You asked me about the trying.
You say people try all the time.

That's great, however while everyone can learn to play chess ...
... it doesn't mean everyone's smart enough to grasp advanced strategies.


True, however may I point out again, we have no reason to believe that their is things within the game at this point in time that no one has discovered or that anything actually exists within Jovian space. Its basically just a dev playground where things are tested on the main server and the AT is held.

Devs themselves said there's still things people haven't figured/found out.
One of them, at least, was connected to the drifters.

We need a fleet of 100 pilots using Command Destroyers to create the biggest ...
... longest ...
... farthest reaching ...
... even-bigger-than-your-mom jump-chain ever! :O


I strongly doubt there aren't ways to beat the system ......

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#43 - 2015-12-30 20:15:39 UTC
Roderick Raholan wrote:

- "Anoikis is artificial.”

I think Talocans were so advanced that we will never meet them again. After all everything what they left seems to be discarded by them like a pair of socks with holes.

ᴇᴠᴇʀʏ ᴘᴀʀᴛ ᴏғ ᴀ ɢᴀᴍᴇ ʜᴇʟᴘs ᴛᴏ ᴛᴇʟʟ ᴀ sᴛᴏʀʏ 📕

ᴡʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ᴀɴɢʀʏ ᴄᴏɴᴄᴏʀᴅ ɢᴜʏ ᴡʜᴇɴ ʏᴏᴜ ɴᴇᴇᴅ ʜɪᴍ

ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

≡⋁≡ ♥
Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
#44 - 2015-12-30 20:19:03 UTC
Husidh wrote:
as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically.


If you still require help, I know this games lore can be a bit of a minefield to traverse, feel free to hit me up in game and I'll do all I can to get you more involved and put you in touch with certain contacts and channels which can assist you on your journey.

Solecist Project wrote:
Devs themselves said there's still things people haven't figured/found out.
One of them, at least, was connected to the drifters.

We need a fleet of 100 pilots using Command Destroyers to create the biggest ...
... longest ...
... farthest reaching ...
... even-bigger-than-your-mom jump-chain ever! :O


I strongly doubt there aren't ways to beat the system ......


Frankly I thought we had found what the devs were referring to, you wouldn't happen to have a linky link of linkness for me?
Though if you're honest interested in taking some time from the forums and having a poke around curse for example I would be happy to join you, I'm in the need of a good expedition *smiles*.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#45 - 2015-12-30 20:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Utremi Fasolasi
bardghost Isu wrote:


It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.


I assumed it was a typo or other way of referring to the Statics branch of the Jove:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Statics

EDIT: Actually Stasis people are called out in the article as a subgroup of the Statics. Should have re-read the whole thing first.

"The Stasis People are Jovians that voluntarily go into cryo-stasis for decades or centuries, hoping that when they wake a bright and better world will greet them. For many Jovians their race is in the twilight of their greatness. Ever since the fall of the first empire the Jovian society have been in a slow, steady decline. Most blame the Jovian Disease for this and believe that the Jovians can only hope to turn the tide once a cure for the disease has been found."
Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
#46 - 2015-12-30 20:29:16 UTC
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
bardghost Isu wrote:


It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.


I assumed it was a typo or other way of referring to the Statics branch of the Jove:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Statics


You might want to read to Chronicle *wink*, its mentioned a total of nine times. The Stasis people made In fact the link you provided under section 2.3 covers the Stasis people.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#47 - 2015-12-30 20:36:34 UTC
Roderick Raholan wrote:
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
bardghost Isu wrote:


It also raises the question of, Who are the Stasis People (I assume the sleepers), It sounds as though the jove do not know fully who they are. So surely they are not second empire, but the second empire may also have been in anoikis aswell.


I assumed it was a typo or other way of referring to the Statics branch of the Jove:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Statics


You might want to read to Chronicle *wink*, its mentioned a total of nine times. The Stasis people made In fact the link you provided under section 2.3 covers the Stasis people.


Right, I was saying I assumed it was a typo in the Chronicle or another way of referring to Statics in the Chronicle, then I scrolled down in what I had linked, and made an edit before I saw your post just now.

This group is interesting to go back to and read about too, it reminds me of the Drifters a bit:

"Unsullied

The Unsullied are the group of Jovians that have rejected further generic experiments and instead adopt conventional methods to deal with sickness and old age. Genetic engineering has through the centuries transformed Jovian society in every aspect imaginable. Many Jovians, denoted as Unsullied, believe that enough has been done. They are advocates of cyber-implants and want to use machines instead of genes in the search for better life."
Solecist Project
#48 - 2015-12-30 20:40:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Roderick Raholan wrote:
Husidh wrote:
as an 8 month old player with little undrstanding of lore, can you link somethigns that would hlep me out? What is the jove directorate? What is Anoikis? Caroline's Star? etc.? ELI5 basically.


If you still require help, I know this games lore can be a bit of a minefield to traverse, feel free to hit me up in game and I'll do all I can to get you more involved and put you in touch with certain contacts and channels which can assist you on your journey.

Solecist Project wrote:
Devs themselves said there's still things people haven't figured/found out.
One of them, at least, was connected to the drifters.

We need a fleet of 100 pilots using Command Destroyers to create the biggest ...
... longest ...
... farthest reaching ...
... even-bigger-than-your-mom jump-chain ever! :O


I strongly doubt there aren't ways to beat the system ......


Frankly I thought we had found what the devs were referring to, you wouldn't happen to have a linky link of linkness for me?
Though if you're honest interested in taking some time from the forums and having a poke around curse for example I would be happy to join you, I'm in the need of a good expedition *smiles*.

I'm not sure what you want me to link?
I don't recall where I have that from.
I can be happy to remember which threads I need to check for follow-up posts...


Curse.
Ha, I'm absolutely clueless ...
... but I'd love taking my shoe for a spin!

Btw ... has anyone ever found out which modules affect wormholes?

Sooo... a date in, say 15min? I'm in jita ... hmmm tight pants or skirt?
Sheesh all my clothes' in hek. Pfff.

;)



2100 eveTime?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#49 - 2015-12-30 20:54:44 UTC
It is kinda sad that all the stuff thy built up over the years with hints here and there ingame and in fiction was just revealed in one go by some jovian guy. Why not let it be discovered ingame by the people who enjoy this kind of things...

Evil RatKid
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#50 - 2015-12-30 20:57:05 UTC
Roderick Raholan wrote:


Frankly I thought we had found what the devs were referring to, you wouldn't happen to have a linky link of linkness for me?
Though if you're honest interested in taking some time from the forums and having a poke around curse for example I would be happy to join you, I'm in the need of a good expedition *smiles*.


In the lore around the Angel Cartel, remember their headquarters is in Curse they are assumed to have looted any Jovian archeological remains from the previous empire there for their own purposes. The Machariel and Daredevil and Dramiel are all said to be based on old Jovian designs.
Solecist Project
#51 - 2015-12-30 21:15:01 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It is kinda sad that all the stuff thy built up over the years with hints here and there ingame and in fiction was just revealed in one go by some jovian guy. Why not let it be discovered ingame by the people who enjoy this kind of things...
As I said above, there's still things undiscovered.
I'm sure the problem here is the players more than CCP...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#52 - 2015-12-30 23:21:21 UTC
I wonder if The Orphyx Program is part of the Drifters or Sleepers.

No one has ever found the program and it is still loose. I would hate to say what would happen if The Orphyx Program got into Drifter or Sleeper Space let alone Rogue Drone Space.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Orphyx_Program
permion
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-12-31 01:02:29 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Been thinking about this chronicle a bit and the reaction it received. In truth, the more I think about it the less impressed I am. This is purely from a writers point of view though.

In general, if you have to have a plot explained by a character you've kinda failed at storytelling. This chronicle was pretty much two dudes sitting down and having a conversation about all the stuff that happened which nobody ever bothered to SHOW through an actual story.

In that sense, I feel it is kind of lazy. Of course, the plot points themselves are excellent and the end scene is definitely solid enough. But 90% of this chronicle was backstory that could have been shown, and instead it was told. Show is always better than tell, and by that I mean building a narrative around characters and having them discover these things organically. In that sense this was kind of a failure, as Jovian dude just kinda sweeps in and is like "Hey brah, we've been out of things for 10 years so here's what happened."

Still, it takes more time and effort to show and I suppose they can only do so much with what is afforded to them. But I can only imagine my former professor giving this a C+ or maybe B- because it finished strong.



The problem with the EvE medium is that it has happened across so A LOT of mediums. There are 3 Novels, short stories on the main website, Some comics, SUPER cryptic hints in games, hints "blatently" told to you in game(site warp, show info's, agent interaction), in game events(both live and automated), player actions that have become canon, Purposeful GM leaks(reddit, chat, and similar).

Since most people aren't In all places, they needed to "break open" the story in one place.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#54 - 2015-12-31 01:39:41 UTC
permion wrote:

The problem with the EvE medium is that it has happened across so A LOT of mediums. There are 3 Novels, short stories on the main website, Some comics, SUPER cryptic hints in games, hints "blatently" told to you in game(site warp, show info's, agent interaction), in game events(both live and automated), player actions that have become canon, Purposeful GM leaks(reddit, chat, and similar).

Since most people aren't In all places, they needed to "break open" the story in one place.


Also some stuff has been taken as canon when it's actually not, just to even further confuse the issue, and some players deliberately present fan fiction as canon also.

So yea, that Chron was great, still left a lot of other questions, but actually gave us as players a better picture of what's been happening so that we can actually respond appropriately.
Sim Cognito
Obani Gemini Corporation
#55 - 2015-12-31 17:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sim Cognito
Absolutely amazing chronicle. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, my eyes gleaming over what was happening. Just the EVE lore-shock I needed to get back into the EVE Universe.

Quote:
This is not merely stellar engineering. This is engineering the topology of space and time so as to serve a civilization. This was nothing less than an attempt to focus the telos of the universe itself on their existence and needs. Astounding arrogance. A hubris the like of which casts we Jove into the role of humble mendicants to the impassive stars. We should be thankful that the Talocan, while leaving their traces behind them, are no longer present in New Eden or Anoikis.


This is one of my favorite parts. Well done CCP Delegate Zero, and CCP in general.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2015-12-31 17:39:32 UTC
Some would say this is like cutting the story short, but introducing something line this is all we need to start the next chapter. All we need is Talocans stuff to throw a major curve to the story, the outcomes of this epic.
Solecist Project
#57 - 2016-01-01 10:41:22 UTC
Men!
First he talks a lot and then he just vanishes.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
LuisWu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2016-01-01 18:15:00 UTC
The lore needs this kind of chronicles more often in my opinion. It's not a good thing when every conversation about the lore starts with something in the line of "let's put our tinfoil hats for a moment, what if (insert crazy jovian/sleeper theory here)?" and is refuted by other in the line of "yeah but we don't know so maybe (insert another completely opposed yet crazy jovian /sleeper theory here)"

In order to theorise we need some reliable data like the ones provided in this chronicle.

And less almost omnipotent entites, also solved in this chronicle.

F*** This Game
Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder
#59 - 2016-01-02 12:09:41 UTC
LuisWu wrote:
The lore needs this kind of chronicles more often in my opinion. It's not a good thing when every conversation about the lore starts with something in the line of "let's put our tinfoil hats for a moment, what if (insert crazy jovian/sleeper theory here)?" and is refuted by other in the line of "yeah but we don't know so maybe (insert another completely opposed yet crazy jovian /sleeper theory here)"

In order to theorise we need some reliable data like the ones provided in this chronicle.

And less almost omnipotent entites, also solved in this chronicle.


To be fair basically everything mentioned within this Chronicle aside from the end scene and some stuff with Veniel was already known knowledge, its just no one had effectively plotted the points together. We had already identified it was the awakening of the second empire, that it was the star which caused the gates to offline and such. I don't think CCP could have really given us much more data without making it Science Lab online or something of the like. You have to tread carefully along the line of when is discovering lore fun or work. Few people, even within the role playing community actually have the scientific knowledge to understand some of the things CCP implements.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2016-01-02 12:11:33 UTC
Roderick Raholan wrote:
LuisWu wrote:
The lore needs this kind of chronicles more often in my opinion. It's not a good thing when every conversation about the lore starts with something in the line of "let's put our tinfoil hats for a moment, what if (insert crazy jovian/sleeper theory here)?" and is refuted by other in the line of "yeah but we don't know so maybe (insert another completely opposed yet crazy jovian /sleeper theory here)"

In order to theorise we need some reliable data like the ones provided in this chronicle.

And less almost omnipotent entites, also solved in this chronicle.


To be fair basically everything mentioned within this Chronicle aside from the end scene and some stuff with Veniel was already known knowledge, its just no one had effectively plotted the points together. We had already identified it was the awakening of the second empire, that it was the star which caused the gates to offline and such. I don't think CCP could have really given us much more data without making it Science Lab online or something of the like. You have to tread carefully along the line of when is discovering lore fun or work. Few people, even within the role playing community actually have the scientific knowledge to understand some of the things CCP implements.


It was mostly unconfirmed though highly probable, until this.