Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We pay subscription. That's more than enough money for CCP to work with. And players telling CCP what to do and when will not work because no representative number of players will pay to casts vote. That's not only a hideous idea to limit voting, it could be done easier with a poll on the forums, and we do not waste money on fees.

Either CCP is delivering all you could possibly wish for, or you are implicitly accusing CCP of profiteering here. EVE is not all I would want it to be. And while I'm sure that CCP is making some profit, I have no particular reason to believe that they are taking an unreasonable cut. I think there is scope here for introducing more features if we are willing to crowdfund the dev costs directly.


Precisely not, which is why I made this thread. I indeed had the idea on the WiS thread first, but I think it would work well for all sorts of things.

A: You flubbed your quote; that wasn't me.

B: Just an aside, CCP is entitled to reinvest as much or as little of their income as they want. If they want to take what's left after covering expenses, roll around in it like Scrooge McDuck, and use it to light cigars and/or farts, that's pretty much their prerogative. Suggesting that he's accusing them of "profiteering" is silly. That term simply doesn't mean anything in this context.

C: While I personally think the argument that, "we pay subscriptions, therefore CCP doesn't have resource constraints on new development" is silly, this idea is riddled with problems, and I'm fairly certain they would be very much disinclined to take them on.


First of all, it's not a new idea. It's been suggested a few times (again, in relation to WIS specifically) and I'm sure they thought of it themselves long before anyone suggested it here because everyone in game development has thought about KS at some point. ;)

There are significant practical problems. If money were the only relevant resource, it might be feasible, but it's not. More work means more people to do the work. Sure, they could just bring in some contractors, but at a minimum you would still need people experienced with the codebase to babysit them, given that they're working on a project being integrated into Eve, and not something standalone.

Then you have the fact that their customers are the worst. Just really awful. Go find all of the, "Bloobloobloo, CCP didn't give us anything fancy for Christmas this year!" threads. That's the level of entitlement people hit when CCP gives THEM something. And have you seen the thread by the paying customer who CCP should allow to change his name because he's a paying customer and paying customers are more important than anything else and if CCP doesn't respect his paying-customer wishes then he's not going to play?

What do you think happens when a portion of the playerbase (quite erroneously) feels like they've "invested" - and are therefore owed a return on their investment - because of a crowdfunded project? I can see the ****-posts now. "I PLEDGED $30 TO THIS PROJECT AND I SAY..." Ugh.

And what happens if it doesn't work out? Projects fail for myriad reasons. Given the frenzied response of the playerbase to comparatively mild transgressions, can you imagine what would happen if they crowdfunded a new Eve feature and it didn't pan out? I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that could be fatal.

I'd be absolutely shocked if CCP wanted to deal with any of it. It's pretty much a minefield.

CCP makes their money selling young children and old people on the Black Market. Eve Online is their legitimate cover.

No, there isn't. Profiting is the goal of any business. Profiteering is an unethical business practice where you capitalize on the misfortune of others to reap a larger than deserved reward. Don't be confused by the root of the two words being the same.

The more and more I read about this, the more and more it sounds like the OP wants to introduce monetary lobbying into EVE.

Take it from someone living in the US... you don't want monetary lobbying.
It sounds good in principle (people will throw more money behind what they believe in and/or want, the DEV have more "resources" to play around with), but it can quickly go sideways (reality doesn't match expectation, delays, incompetence, entitlement, etc) and it be easily and horribly, horribly abused (people with lots of money skew the results to get what they want... even at other people's detriment).

ps: sorry if I crossed the "don't involve/invoke RL politics" line. I was making a point.

And here we are yet again,

It's another post on the frontpage of this forum section that thinks it found out the magic wheel but actually is just poking a turd with a stick. It has no benefit to the longevity of EVE and stands on the same level of idiocy as all the AFK cloaking threads.

You want change?
Get your bloody arse out of your chair / sofa / bed / toiletseat and start a serious campaign with solutions that have substance. Make suggestions, give them feedback and garner support from other players. You can not do that with any kickstarter nonsense because all it does is controlling the game direction based on money. It would allow wealthy players to dictate what will change without regard of the future.

You pay a subscription fee, and if you want them to have more money then buy PLEX or start a new account.

But **** off with your moronic ideas.

Not supported. I already fund the Eve Kickstarter, once a year, when I decide to resubscribe my six accounts.