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How do we fix these results so it is #1 forever?

Eve being platinum I find rather odd, to be frank. Platinum means, that everything works flawlessly 'out of the box', which is simply not the case.

You've got the CQ working and are seeing the new shield and armour hardener effects?

That's got nothing to do with my expectations, it's what it says here: https://appdb.winehq.org/help/?sTopic=maintainer_ratings

It works decently well out of the box, yes. But it does not work flawlessly, which is clearly a requirement for the "platinum" rating. Just why some things don't work does not matter - they don't. Full stop.

Even "gold" requires the application to run "flawlessly". Eve should at best be rated silver, because no matter what you do, overrides or no, some things just don't work:

So if something doesn't work and I expect it to not work it should be platinum? Or is this just a fault in my expectation?

By thew way.. EVE was platinum on 26.05.2010 for the first time..

Just more expectations...

You will be fighting the whole world before you realize it.

Make a vote or don't. You should know by now how the system works!

What is a shame though is that you actually believe Platinum would stand for something like that there's nothing left to improve, that now one could rest, when in fact you haven't even gotten your arse up to make a simple vote and that you are still only talking. That is some pretty bad sucking.

It is just a rating and there will always be room for improvement. But if it was up to you then there should be a rating above Platinum, perhaps we could call it Diamond, which would be completely empty, because there is always room for improvement and where we could park all our dreams and hopes and expectations, too. That would be best, wouldn't it? The unreachable, untouchable Diamond rating, the one hovering above it all and one that meets every conceivable expectation. The mother of all ratings, the God rating ...

Are you smouldering over EVE getting a Platinum rating? Does it feel to you like it stained (your expectations of) the Platinum rating? Does it??

Ok, then once more with respect:

I am aware of how the ratings come to be. However, since anyone and their mother can submit test results, and pretty much anyone can be a maintainer as well, there's no real QA involved in the whole process. People who submit test results to the AppDB, especially for games, usually care strongly about the app they are submitting the test results for, and are inclined to rate the app higher than it should be. In the end, the rating is decided on more by how well people "feel" the application works for them, instead of how well it actually works, making the definitions declared by the AppDB itself completely worthless.

The Voting, btw, doesn't have anything to do with the ratings. The vote is what tells the Wine developers which applications and games people care about most. If an application has many votes, the developers know that's one they should concentrate their efforts on. I don't have anything against Eve being in a top ten list - it just shows that Linux people care about Eve, which is a good thing from the perspective of a Linux Eve Player.

However, the Ratings do not come together by means of vote, but by means of test results. It should not be democracy. If there's anything in the "What doesn't work" section of the test results, an application does not run flawlessly, and should therefore, by definition, not be rated platinum. I know it "can" be rated platinum, because there is no actual quality assessment involved, but that doesn't mean it should be. I can just say it again: It's not a race or competition of sorts. We don't gain anything by rating Eve higher than it should be. We would be much better off with Eve in the Top Ten Silver list, because that would send a signal to the developers, that even though many Linux people play Eve, it's not quite there yet. And in fact it isn't. Direct X 11 support is a thing the Wine developers will have to implement. And it doesn't really matter, whether the captains quaters is considered buggy or not - it works flawlessly on Windows, and as Wine is striving to emulate the Windows API, it should work on Wine as well, bugs or no.

That being said, I am very happy with how well Eve works these days, and has been for a long time now. It's very performant, by far most things work out of the box. Apart from the odd hiccup after major updates, Eve under wine is pretty hassle-free. But the fact still stands: It's not flawless, and therefore does not qualify for a "gold" or "platinum" rating.

No, it really does not qualify as platinum. There where some moments in the history of EVE and wine where the platinum rating would have been ok. But currently there are some things that just don't work and therefor it should be rated silver.

There is a clear definition for the ratings and the eve rating does not match this definition. This has nothing to do with expectations or opinions, it's a simple fact.

I never played EVE on windows (windows 98 was my last windows installed on any of my machines), I always used linux with wine since I started in 2007. Did that just violate your expectation?

Wrong again. There is no clear definition for the rating as it is a vote. When more people rate an application as platinum than not then it is also the current definition of it.

Theoretically, yes, what you fear is certainly within the range of possibilities. But many voters have come to understand the democratic principle behind the rating system, and because they will also share your fear with you, am I fairly certain that it will neither have unrealistic high or low ratings, but that the ratings will always reflect the opinions of the majority. You then do not need to agree with me, because we do have the voting system for this very reason. I hope you find relief in my words nevertheless and do not feel forced to agree with a CODE agent.