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Adjourned - Dear Gankers [(EARLY!) New Year Challenge Event]

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-12-30 09:10:45 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Well it's a pretty quiet time of day, plus I'm not really sure how many people I'd need... I guess I'd have to find you and scan your fit.


The premise of this 'thing' I'm doing, I suppose you could call it an event, is that of a challenge. Scanning the fit doesn't bother me, because I'm on the move. It's not going to be impossible - even if I am cloak+MWD, that has its counters to. Once, when I was flying a cloak+MWD through high, the absolute mass of ships around the gate, both NPC and player-owned, gave me no quarter in which to cloak up. No one was after me at the time, so it didn't matter.... but you get the picture. And that's not the only counter.

At the end of the day, it'll come down to how much effort players are prepared to expend, the risk they're willing to take, and the degree of challenge they're able to accept. This is not an impossible task, but it is a challenging one. Would you put $200 worth of PLEX on the line for anything less?

That being said, you're right, it has been quiet today. I've been trying to get people's attention and you'll notice I'm only complaining about the boredom of flying around in space, not the lack of participation. I just want to do other things. I was running around between Hek and Neesher, through all the hotspots including Balle and Uedama, and nothing happened. I saw ganks going on, but only by proxy of the massive clouds of concord that were present at a few gates. Other than that, very little. So that's fine. I may bring it out again on the weekend, but the PLEX and ship have been stashed in a safe harbour away from prying eyes, although I'm aware it's not perfect, it's just going to be incredibly difficult to figure out. Because frankly, there's the 'getting popped undocking with it on station' thing again - I intend not to make it that easy for anyone ^_^

Anyway, like I said, watch this space. When I get it out again, I will let you know. And it will not be a long wait. A day or two at most.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Justin C4se
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2015-12-30 09:20:40 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
It's not going to be impossible - even if I am cloak+MWD, that has its counters to.


He says. At that point it's more profitable to just look for freighters worth 10b. They happen quite often, and you use less resources. By all means, events are great. I'm just not holding my breathe for someone to catch you.

Fly safe,

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#43 - 2015-12-30 09:25:26 UTC
What?

Seriously. I'm working between holidays. Quite a few people are. I just happened to read this because I had some private things to take care off, got home for a cup of tea and logged into my laptop for a glance at eve-o, before driving back to work.

Blink

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-12-30 09:38:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Justin C4se wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
It's not going to be impossible - even if I am cloak+MWD, that has its counters to.


He says. At that point it's more profitable to just look for freighters worth 10b. They happen quite often, and you use less resources. By all means, events are great. I'm just not holding my breathe for someone to catch you.


Freighters worth 10bil are not as common as you think. More often than not, the ones I see go down in highsec average between 1 and 5, and it's usually the fit rather than what they're carrying.

Here:

https://zkillboard.com/ship/20183/

Show me all those 10bil freighter ganks from today please. From yesterday? Actually, don't bother, I checked the other classes too and they are rare. There are two on that page, and the most valuable one only dropped 8 bil. But that's not even the point. Of course it's easy to gank a freighter. How often does 10 plex drop from one though? How often do you make 12 bil from one?That being said, who can brag about successfully ganking a DST? I'm here to offer people something other than easy, and a decent reward for doing so. If the people in this game can't handle something other than easy, then I don't ever want to hear another one of you tell anyone to HTFU ever again.

The challenge is the whole point of the exercise. The plex is the reward, IF it drops. If people just want easy, they already have that, and that's fine. But there is NO POINT in coming on here and telling me these things as if I should expect no one to try, and I was holding my breath for most of the day because believe you me, it's entirely possible to catch and gank the Mastadon and its counterparts.

Let's see some 'elite pee-vee-pee'ers put their money where their mouths are, and catch and kill a DST. That would be pretty elite, don't you think?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#45 - 2015-12-30 14:07:07 UTC
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#46 - 2015-12-30 14:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
Any mildly competent pilot will be unstoppable in a DST in high sec. True story.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#47 - 2015-12-30 14:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
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That's not my purpose at all. My purpose is to point out to the players reading this thread that a DST in highsec piloted by someone that knows a bit about what they are doing isn't going to be able to be ganked, short of falling asleep at the keyboard. You've been around a long time so I fully expect it to survive, at which point anyone that did make an attempt at it should be aware that the odds were heavily stacked against them.

No offense is intended so if you've taken some I apologise.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-12-30 14:58:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
Lucas Kell wrote:
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That's not my purpose at all. My purpose is to point out to the players reading this thread that a DST in highsec piloted by someone that knows a bit about what they are doing isn't going to be able to be ganked, short of falling asleep at the keyboard. You've been around a long time so I fully expect it to survive, at which point anyone that did make an attempt at it should be aware that the odds were heavily stacked against them.

No offense is intended so if you've taken some I apologise.


But it's misinformation. Anyone that knows what they're doing is going to be VERY HARD to catch, but as someone that's seen exactly that happen, I know it's not impossible, and no measure of the pilot's skill when they get caught. I know exactly what I'm doing, and have a boatload of PVP experience, solo and in fleets, high sec and lowsec, to back me up. You have, on the other hand, many demonstrated examples of your incredibly pessimistic attitude all over these forums. Your negativity is not welcome here, and I'll tell you why: Griffin with 5x remote sebo, Navy Maulus, HIC, insta-alpha battleship, a mass of objects everywhere in space preventing cloak, the list of methods for catching a DST is longer than you seem to be aware of, and just because you can't conceive of them doesn't mean they don't exist.

But the guys that do well at this game, at the PVP in this game, are incredibly creative when it comes to solving what can sometimes be perceived by the masses as 'impossible', and I have no doubt that someone can and will catch me. This challenge is for them, because they're the only ones capable of doing it.

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“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-12-30 15:07:23 UTC
Did you consider to let people in local knowing what is going on? For example by typing in local:

"Fly, fly as fast as you can!
You can't gank me. I'm the PLEX/Gingerbread Man!"

that would probably have made more people hunt you Big smile and made it more interesting

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-12-30 15:10:27 UTC
I took a while, but I finally found it. This is a DST that attempted to cloak-MWD past me and my friends.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/42478690/

I'll grant you it's in lowsec, but the greatest challenge is the cloak-MWD. The only difference is in highsec, there'll be a few catalysts instead. The Warp Core bonus is easy to beat. THIS KILL HERE demonstrates it is possible. And there are many others I've experienced. That pilot flying it? He wasn't incompetent. If I remember correctly, he'd been evading us for some time. But we're persistent buggers, and that's literally all it takes. Degree of skill barely registers once you catch them, too, because once it's caught, it's dead, that simple. The hard part is catching it, this kill demonstrates that possibility.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-12-30 15:12:31 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
Did you consider to let people in local knowing what is going on? For example by typing in local:

"Fly, fly as fast as you can!
You can't gank me. I'm the PLEX/Gingerbread Man!"

that would probably have made more people hunt you Big smile and made it more interesting


As I went through each system, I posted a link to this thread as I entered each one. Eventually, local chat started not letting me post. I guessed it was a spam filter because I was posting the same thing over and over, so I stopped bothering for a bit. At one stage, going through Uedama, my FIRST pass through there, I announced in local, "I'm hauling ten plex in a Mastadon" or something to that effect, and linked the image of it in my cargo bay. I went through Uedama four more times after that, and nobody even looked at me with a ship scanner.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-12-30 15:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I took a while, but I finally found it. This is a DST that attempted to cloak-MWD past me and my friends.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/42478690/

I'll grant you it's in lowsec, but the greatest challenge is the cloak-MWD. The only difference is in highsec, there'll be a few catalysts instead. The Warp Core bonus is easy to beat. THIS KILL HERE demonstrates it is possible. And there are many others I've experienced. That pilot flying it? He wasn't incompetent. If I remember correctly, he'd been evading us for some time. But we're persistent buggers, and that's literally all it takes. Degree of skill barely registers once you catch them, too, because once it's caught, it's dead, that simple. The hard part is catching it, this kill demonstrates that possibility.


I'm quoting this because I want to explain how we actually decloaked this one. We didn't even set up something to keep him from cloaking. This was done with piloting. See that Scythe Fleet Issue up there? It's fast as all hell. It's my own secret decloaking weapon that I've used often for the purpose of decloaking many an MWD-cloak hauler going through lowsec, and that DST was not the first. Even the best DST pilot, Lucas, is going to find his match in an expert decloaking pilot with a ship made for the job. MWD or not, a DST, even one with dual i-stabs, still takes time to align.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

ISD Max Trix
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#53 - 2015-12-30 17:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
Solecist Project wrote:
It's not locked, though. ^_^

For some reason the forum is not liking me today. I will have to file a bug report and talk to SYAD about it.

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Specia1 K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2015-12-31 15:22:57 UTC
A t2 Bustard has about 180k ehp cold, 325k with heat.
A Pithi Bustard has about 260k ehp cold, and a whopping 704k ehp with heat (97.5, 95.5, 98.8, 96.9 resists!!).

*Caveat is that these are active modules and virtually useless if autopiloting.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2015-12-31 15:25:37 UTC
Specia1 K wrote:
A t2 Bustard has about 180k ehp cold, 325k with heat.
A Pithi Bustard has about 260k ehp cold, and a whopping 704k ehp with heat (97.5, 95.5, 98.8, 96.9 resists!!).

*Caveat is that these are active modules and virtually useless if autopiloting.


Sure, if you fit it for tanking Blink

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Specia1 K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2015-12-31 16:11:40 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Specia1 K wrote:
A t2 Bustard has about 180k ehp cold, 325k with heat.
A Pithi Bustard has about 260k ehp cold, and a whopping 704k ehp with heat (97.5, 95.5, 98.8, 96.9 resists!!).

*Caveat is that these are active modules and virtually useless if autopiloting.


Sure, if you fit it for tanking Blink


How else would you fit it? It has a fleet hold (`60k) and a small cargo hold. Cargo expanders are useless on these hulls.

I might do differently for low/null to augment the warp stabs, but the highsec fitting is pretty standard. Or should be.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2015-12-31 16:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Specia1 K wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Specia1 K wrote:
A t2 Bustard has about 180k ehp cold, 325k with heat.
A Pithi Bustard has about 260k ehp cold, and a whopping 704k ehp with heat (97.5, 95.5, 98.8, 96.9 resists!!).

*Caveat is that these are active modules and virtually useless if autopiloting.


Sure, if you fit it for tanking Blink


How else would you fit it? It has a fleet hold (`60k) and a small cargo hold. Cargo expanders are useless on these hulls.

I might do differently for low/null to augment the warp stabs, but the highsec fitting is pretty standard. Or should be.


Well, I'm actually not going to talk anymore on the pros and cons of various styles of DST fitting crafted for specific purposes, save for my cyno baiting impel that was successfully used once to bait a blops drop and then call in an SYJ cap fleet that basically melted everything that couldn't warp off in time, which was fun. The best part about that - I was hauling about 3 bil worth of cargo in that Impel at the time. ^_^

The reason I'm not going to talk about it anymore is because I've easily gone and given away a vast array of my tactics because I've been baited into talking about it so much. Now, it's going to be too easy, and I may have to refit the ship. Which is going to upset me, because it's annoying. So at the end of the day, this is going to come down to what I've posted previously in this thread - what are you willing to risk? What challenge are you up for? Make your best guess, the plex is in the cargo hold as per the link somewhere in this thread to the image of it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2015-12-31 16:22:45 UTC
That being said, the first of January is here for some, still approaching for many. But we all have the same clock in EVE, and when that clock strikes 0800 hours tomorrow, start keep an eye out for Boz in a Mastadon named Siberia on dscan.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Bozidar Jasmone
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2016-01-01 08:28:47 UTC
I am about to launch the Mastadon. Happy new year, and to everyone that has a crack at this, GOOD LUCK! I mean that. o7
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2016-01-01 09:04:34 UTC
This will be live until DT, or until someone catches Bozidar. If, at the end of this event, no one has tried, the event will end. If attempts are made, but no successes, PLEX will be rewarded to people involved in the attempts. Thank you, and good luck.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104