Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Back in the old days the hub system was Yulai, which was neutral, not controlled by any of the four factions. Factional space was roughly equidistant from Yulai. Yulai was like Jita is now, with many pilots camping and trading.

Then, CCP decided it would try to stop this and what they did was cut many of the key links to Yulai. Not only did this make travel more time consuming, it had the effect of shifting the hub to Jita, Caldari space being most populated. So, what CCP was trying to do, force players to spread out completely failed and instead the whole system became imbalanced because now the hub favored Caldari-space.

To quantify the imbalance, take for example the number of jumps from each of the 3 starter player systems to Jita:

Caldari: 3 3 3
Amarr: 9 11 11
Gallente: 12 12 13
Minmatar: 12 15 18

Not exactly fair is it? Want to play a Minmatar character in Minmatar space? Sorry, you are 18 jumps from the market hub where you need to go to buy stuff.

Telling players: just move to Caldari space is dumb. That is not fair forcing players to move to Caldari space to have reasonable access to the hub. It is inherently unfair to have the hub in the space of one of the four factions. That is why Yulai was the central system in the first place! It was neutral.

This imbalance affects the game in many ways: travel times from different areas, the way standings affect the game, corporate office locations, agent choice, etc.

At the time the change occurred I was based in Alentene, 3 jumps from Yulai, and in Gallente space. After the change I was 11 jumps from Jita and had to move because it was not practical to be so far away from where I doing trading and buying. This same consideration has forced many players to crowd into Caldari space, away from agents and other faction-specific resources they would rather be near.

The whole cut-off-Yulai idea has proven to be a FAILURE. It completely failed to achieve the objective that the developers announced it was intended to do. This FAILED change should be reversed and Yulai should be restored as a neutral central point for all the factions.

Yulai is still real, I was docked there about an hour ago.

You dont 'need' to trade in jita and sometimes its better not to.

And with the way the market works it couldn't be worse for everyone. For example, I bet the caldari population, or most the players as you say, probably found it beneficial.

Got any actual data to back this up. Last time you brought this up in 2013 you argued that Yulai was not as big as Jita is now because now they have to close Jita’s gates during high traffic, but my first thought was…how many players were there in 2004 vs. 2013? Maybe the problem of Jita is due to a larger population and not just it being a super hub…in which case decentralizing trade would be the solution, not doubling down and moving Jita, Amarr and Dodixie to Yulai.

As of right now, Jita accounts for about 36.5% of the trade in HS according to eve-market data.com. Amarr clocks in at 22.7%, with Dodixie and Rens each coming in at 19.9% and 19.1% respectively. So while Jita is big, I find it hard to believe that the other trade hubs have actually shrunk.

Also, one giant trade hub is fine if we want to try and get “one price” for everything. However, the current decentralized trade system allows for arbitrage opportunities. And a central hub will also likely reduce profitability as well. One big trade hub means more competition and more competition translates into lower prices.

As for Brain in the Box…you mean that thing that fucks up the route settings all the time? Last night our fleet essentially bifurcated, one group took route A (32 jumps) the other took route B (32 jumps) and no, it was not safer vs. shorter as people in both groups had them set to shorter. It seems it decided to pick randomly between the starting point and destination. I think, if it can’t handle such a basic function, that it still needs work.

Actually as far as I can tell cutting those links and making travel harder opened up opportunities for traders, local manufacturers and those that prey on them. Trying to turn back the clock in an attempt to recapture some "golden age" that probably never really existed in the first place seems counter productive.

If anything I can't help but feel that the process of regional separation was not carried far enough. Many of the regional markets of the present day still suffer somewhat from price homogenization simply because it is still relatively quick and simple to ship to and from Jita as long as fairly basic precautions are taken and common sense applied.


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Back to Yulai...... Nah, can't really see a reason to go back to square 1. There are just too many other tools, be it other trade hubs, evepraisal, contracts, red frog, jump freighters.... the specific location of the super hub is not exceedingly important these days.


Blow up Jita..... Well... yes, I could get behind this.

Not a single one of my characters has been to Jita this year. And yet somehow I get by just fine. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

(Coincidentally, I find myself in Yulai on a semi-regular basis. It just happens that way.)

ooooo god forbid now fleet members need to pay attention on the game instead of just being drones. That is not even bad for the game.

So when did CCP dictate where the major trade hubs would be once Yulai was closed for business? So before you raise your pitchfork and torch towards CCPs doorstep, maybe you should take a look at why they setup shop where they did to begin with.



Question: Was everyone in the same ship and did everyone have the same insert agility skills here level? I'm curious if it's factoring in align time and warp speed at the individual level to create the fastest route for you to take in the ship you are currently in. I don't know, just a wild speculation, anytime it happens I've always just assumed that we had different autopilot settings somewhere. At which point someone just starts broadcasting the gates.