EVE General Discussion

If ccp wanted to use soft cloning as a game mechanic, I'm sure they would introduce a "breakthrough" that speed it up. Or just say our implants make it faster than it is for a baseliner. As for losing skills: There is the basic Eve theme: Loss has meaning.

This has incredibly fascinating implications. Thank you for sharing it!

"Feed me MORE!!"

Interesting material!

Been thinking about this chronicle a bit and the reaction it received. In truth, the more I think about it the less impressed I am. This is purely from a writers point of view though.

In general, if you have to have a plot explained by a character you've kinda failed at storytelling. This chronicle was pretty much two dudes sitting down and having a conversation about all the stuff that happened which nobody ever bothered to SHOW through an actual story.

In that sense, I feel it is kind of lazy. Of course, the plot points themselves are excellent and the end scene is definitely solid enough. But 90% of this chronicle was backstory that could have been shown, and instead it was told. Show is always better than tell, and by that I mean building a narrative around characters and having them discover these things organically. In that sense this was kind of a failure, as Jovian dude just kinda sweeps in and is like "Hey brah, we've been out of things for 10 years so here's what happened."

Still, it takes more time and effort to show and I suppose they can only do so much with what is afforded to them. But I can only imagine my former professor giving this a C+ or maybe B- because it finished strong.

Okay.
I've read it.
I don't know what to say.

Is there any information actually exploitable/usable from the player's perspective ...
... or is it passive storytelling, degrading us to useless consumers? :P

I really liked it and it's long enough that it contains an actual story that's interesting ...
... but I, as player, don't know what to do with it.

I'm feeling a bit lost and want to know. :)

Trying to think of the impact this would have on players...

1) DED inner circle politics has been disrupted, which may lead to a difference in the way that DED (or at least the SOCT) deals with capsuleers

"Then also, the capsuleers remain the great investment in the future that should be shepherded most carefully. You can do this more directly only if you have the power to do so. I intend to give you, and the Society, this power."

It is that "shepherded" and "power to do so" that leads me to think things might be more active than merely passive observation.

2) Implication is that the Drifters are Second Empire Jove that have taken physical bodies again. How will they react to SOCT now that they are essentially the Jovian Directorate? They were already raiding Third Empire Jove installations. Perhaps time to keep an eye on N-K4Q0 constellation in Geminate.

3) " They built a stable network of wormhole connections among star systems that would not ordinarily or readily support such connections with each other. They altered the very fabric of space-time in the network’s systems. They altered resonance points and so arranged matters so as to be able to move between the systems of the Anoikis network with the ease that you and I might move between rooms in a house."

This is not a description of the unstable wormholes we find today, as a result of the Isogen-5 incident. What the Talocan appeared to have created were stable wormholes, more akin to stargates, between Anoikis systems. Where are those now? The machinery should still be around unless the Stasis Faction destroyed them all. I have a gut feeling there is a link between the old Talocan tech and the envisioned ability of our being able to build our own stargates. That bit about our building stargates was still being shown as recently as EVE Vegas last month.

4) Veniel mentions that the Jove found Talocan wormholes from Curse to UUA-FA. In the years since the Isogen-5 incident, no capsuleer has found a way to Jove space, though Kuvakei seemed to. It would make sense that the Jove used their understanding of wormhole tech to suppress the Talocan wormhole network in their region, if nothing else as a measure of securing their borders. Or perhaps the Stasis Faction disabled/destroyed them to isolate themselves. Either way, I don't think we are going to find a way into Jove space.

Lore Survival Guide

This should help you on your path to enlightenment young capsuleer

Took a little break from the forums over the past few days since a certain game *cough fallout cough* was release and I'm really quite surprised that this thread is still active, glad to see so many are interested in discussing the implications of this new chronicle. Might I add Solecist, I'm glad you've returned and since I appear to have done the same I'll try and assist where I can with the discussion.

From my understand of the Chronicle and the games lore their is no specific connection between the region and Curse, it is simply that Veniel toys with the idea that it is within curse that the Jovian Second Empire first stumbled upon an entrance to the wormhole network. So the only specific connection is that it would appear that in both regions exist one of these gates and it is possible that they could be found, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did Dr.Bork or one of his associates from the Intergalactic Summit would have already found it and would be trying to get as much attention as possible *chuckle*. That being said I haven't had a good expedition in awhile...

Nothing in the chronicle suggests that the Jovian's made any attempt to "suppress" the Talocan network, now what it does suggest is that Kuvakei discovered away to generate a unstable wormhole, which I did forget to mention... Is bloody possible on a ship! I mean how crazy is that right? I mean I know its Jovian, but still, just think about the implications of such technology. People have always wanted to get to Jovian space, remember their is nothing actually interesting their from an in game perspective so I think if we ever do gain access or maybe if it was possible to mount an expedition CCP would have a hell of a lot of work to do.

Hope that helps clear things up a bit, but Solecist please specify what you mean by try? If you mean reach Jovian space, people try all the time. A rumor popped up a month or so ago that someone had a new method and was paying for help, never did hear back from it, most likely an exploit like the legendary medical clones and the system grid flying, but I think really believe the grid travelling stuff just due to the sheer time that would be involved, if it was done on a distance basis it would take a longer than the game had been in existence, but if rather, when the area for one system ends a new one begins which is far more likely it might have been possible. I really don't know. That's the issue with EVE when it comes to lore and people roleplaying, its really quite difficult when these events occurred in many occasions over a decade ago to actually work out whats what.

Solecist I'm very proud of you!



I think you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. We've been shown this "stuff" by CCP for over five years since the events which lead to the introduction of wormhole space, even further if you take into account its inclusion of Veniel. The story you're referring to is the story of EVE Online, a story that though constructed by CCP, has been tailored by the players of EVE over the years. The Chronicle is the icing on the cake, its years of complex plot points and events all tied together through a complex dialogue between two very important characters, from a lore perspective. Its meant to cover the back story as many players weren't around to actually be apart of it themselves and hands up all of you who joined the game and instantly read all of the chronicles? I've hardly read any of them. We've been living this story, I think that's them showing it enough don't you? We're not critiquing this as writing alone.