EVE New Citizens Q&A

I was doing an Angel Watch site and on the commander wave (the guy who drops the key) and a guy who was yellow in a Cormorant warped in.

Unfortunately, I was pretty far away from the wave (100km) since I had been kiting when they spawned and he had drones.

I was in a heavily geared Tengu but only with 3 usable Heavy launchers loaded with Nova Fury. I have max skills across the board.

Since he was yellow I considered trying to attack him. The only problem is that I would have to use my AB and since the Angels were between me and the Cormorant I would aggro all of them, so I would have had to tank them while trying to kill the Cormorant.

Also, I was afraid he might have friends and if I attacked him, they would join in (can they do that without getting Concordokken?).

What was my best move in that situation?

In the end what happened is that I put my AB on and tried to close with the commander and kill it first, but his drones beat me to it, so I gave up.

Was he "flashy" yellow or "solid" yellow?

The difference is big.

You can attack "flashy" yellow people as they are considered either "outlaws" (people with -5.0 or lower security status) or have "suspect status" (they have stolen from someone's jetcan / wreck).

"Solid" yellow simply means that a person has committed hostile acts (see: shot at) against another player "illegally" but are not yet considered "outlaws" (see: they have -0.1 to -4.9 security status).


Assuming the person you considered attacking was a "legal target"...

his friends would not have been able to attack you.
They could assist by providing remote repair support (which would turn them "suspect status" as well), but would not be able to do much else unless you shot at them as well.



So... here is the "bottom line" as far as I can tell:

The person you encountered was probably looking for a fight. He was "baiting" you into shooting him so he could legally engage.
And chances are, he had probably fit that Cormorant to specifically kill your ship.

Your best course of action was to simply not take the bait. And you did well in not doing so.

In the future...
- If you are paranoid of accidentally shooting someone, set you "safety button" (next to your capacitor HUD) to "green." This will prevent you from taking an offensive action against another player.

- Right-click a wreck > Abandon all
This tells the other person that you are not going to "take the bait" (see: shoot him). It also removes the temptation of shooting the intruder (provided the person has not already looted one of your wrecks).

- Just leave and come back later.

- Move someplace more quiet.

- Or, if you are ballsy, bring some friends in PvP capable ships and nuke the offender.



I should also point out that EVE does not "instance" sites or missions like other games. You do not "own" anything (even if you were given the specific coordinates and/or a mission objective for it) until it is in your cargohold.
Every place in EVE can be found and interfered with by another player. It is a part of the competitive nature game.

Can a Cormorant kill a loaded Tengu (even if the Tengu only has 3 heavy launchers)?

1: You couldve prolly alphaed him....
2: What was his ACTUAL ship, Cormorants dont have drones.......

Stranger things have happened.

Iteron V (industrial) kills a Megathron (battleship)

Frigates kill a battleship (demo)

There is even a reported case of a Velator (rookie ship) killing a Tornado (battlecruiser).

The amount and type of questions that you are asking indicate to me that you have very little if not zero PvP experience in this game. I do not either so I am not criticizing but my personal theory is that if you set out to PvE only then you only PvE. If you want to PvP get in a ship set up for PvP and go do that.

I just think that in an expensive ship like a Tengu that is completely set up for PvE that you have nothing to gain and everything to loose. If you would like to PvE and engage in PvP if it becomes available then you would need to be set up for that. Do things like Omni tank and have the ability to point your opponent.

It would seem to me that with regards to PvP most players do not want to loose and aim to win. If a player is in high sec and has a suspect flag and is in a site with me I assume he wants to engage in PvP with me because if he did not then he would have docked or safed up and waited out his timer. So if he is looking to PvP with me then I further assume that he thinks that he can win the engagement. So either he knows that his ship can beat mine or he plans to reship once he gets me to flag myself or he has friends near by or something like that.

TL;dr
If you set out to PvE then PvE and only PvE. If you want to PvP then set out to do that. While setting out to PvP and then winding up PvEing is typically not a terrible idea setting out to PvE and then winding up PvPing typically is.

1) It's not your site
2) the one who ends up with the loot is obviously the rightful owner of the loot
3) if you have to kite while doing a Watch site in a Tengu then you're doing it wrong. Being overtanked, which is easily done in a Tengu, allows you to not have to kite at all and go straight for the target
4) why do you only have 3 launchers?

Your best move is to use a fit that can tank the room so you can get/stay close to the main target and then, if necessary, drop a MTU to pick it up. That way you will have less trouble with competition.

Right, and the way he is doing it leaves him very vulnerable to "thieves". Whereas the method Gregor recommended leaves him much less vulnerable.

I skimmed over the thread and I see some big big errors (some you luckily didn't make):

A. NEVER EVER engage in a PvP fight, if you are not fitted for PvP. That person was for 99.9999% hoping you would engage, and he would have won. Simply because he was ready for PvP and you weren't. No matter WHAT ship you fly, how expensive your mods were etc. a PvE fit will almost certainly lose to someone who is PvP fitted and has a plan thought out.

B. NEVER EVER mix launcher. Sorry, but HOW can you be a fully trained tengu pilot and make the dumbest and most rookie mistake of mixing 2 totally different types of launchers.

That alone tells me, GO back to a frigate and learn how fitting a ship works properly. And THEN come back


Let me help you with a quick random equation

Weapon A: 500 damage each, short range (aka HAM)
Weapon B: 300 damage each, long range (aka HM)

Now:

Using an all 6 of weapon A - 3000 damage till end of range of A.
Using an all 6 of weapon B - 1800 damage till end of range of B.

Now let's do a 3/3 setup:

Within range of A: 2400 damage (3 x 500 = 1500 + 3 x 300 = 900)
Out of range of A: 900 damage

So, see:

If you are fighting within the range of A, having all weapon A fitted does 600 damage a shot more.
If you are fighting outside of A but within B, you will by fitting all type B weapons do twice the amount of damage.

Ergo, always fit 1 type of weapon that matches your tactic OR fit 1 type of weapon, and adjust your tactics to it's advantages.

There is NO reason ever to mix your guns.