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Shame on you CONCORD for Promoting Sacrilege

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2015-12-27 18:24:27 UTC
I think that CONCORD, or whoever is in charge of distributing those gimmick memorabilia, are simply releasing a few symbols of capsuleer influenced important events that marked that last year. The Max Amarria sure is one if those.

It just sounds like a convenient way to hash again at CONCORD (is it even them to begin with?).

The exact same way Gradient supported that censorship of Dekkameron's play in the past indeed.

Both rather shameful displays if I may add.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#42 - 2015-12-27 20:34:11 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

Firstly, I am not and I never have been a Sarumite.

Good for you. Although House Sarum should not be blamed.

Rodj Blake wrote:

Secondly, PIE is not and has never been a Sarumite organisation.

PIE as a corporation supports the current Emperor no matter what House he or she may have originally been from, as do I (although I do obviously favour House Ardishapur in the absence of a legally annointed Emperor).


Now this I differ with you. I understand and commend PIE's role as protector of the Empress/Emperor, however, protecting a tyrant on the thrown without due course of reason is treason.

Just days before Jamyl Sarum II's return, many leaders and distinguished members went missing. There was not much time to investigate because after the great battle and her re-emergence, the military victory and clean up of Karsoth's regime was indeed welcomed, but her power came unjustly despite the means. The surviving Theology Council members were quick to instate her as Empress due to her power. All organizations and Houses bowed in silence to that power, yet many kept their ethics and convictions silent, in that someday, something would have to be done and bring this these matters to attention.

PIE's position was to simply support the Empress with fervor, and unquestioning loyalty (or fear). I had stopped calling these extremists Sarumites after several prominent members of House Sarum showed me their evidences and disdain for their errant daughter. Thus, Jamylites are those that refused legal discourse and redress by simply abusing passages of the written word of God, which in itself is its own form of sacrilege.

Now to be fair, some members of PIE have also convinced me that not all PIE members agreed, just as there was a silent faction of House Sarum members. My hope is that all organizations and PIE, will always keep a watchful eye, as well as protect our leaders from harm. Beyond all else, the Empire, and the people must come first based upon rational and law. Defend from scourge like the Blood Raiders, Sansha, and the Drifters.

Jamyl is gone. Only a fool fights in a burning house and we have real threats to deal with.

Rodj Blake wrote:

My gripe with CONCORD is that they they are promoting a political text when they claim to be politically neutral.


I'm still not convinced CONCORD is in the delivery business. Citation needed.

Regards... Max Singularity

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2015-12-27 22:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Max Singularity wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

Firstly, I am not and I never have been a Sarumite.

Good for you. Although House Sarum should not be blamed.

Rodj Blake wrote:

Secondly, PIE is not and has never been a Sarumite organisation.

PIE as a corporation supports the current Emperor no matter what House he or she may have originally been from, as do I (although I do obviously favour House Ardishapur in the absence of a legally annointed Emperor).


Now this I differ with you. I understand and commend PIE's role as protector of the Empress/Emperor, however, protecting a tyrant on the thrown without due course of reason is treason.

Just days before Jamyl Sarum II's return, many leaders and distinguished members went missing. There was not much time to investigate because after the great battle and her re-emergence, the military victory and clean up of Karsoth's regime was indeed welcomed, but her power came unjustly despite the means. The surviving Theology Council members were quick to instate her as Empress due to her power. All organizations and Houses bowed in silence to that power, yet many kept their ethics and convictions silent, in that someday, something would have to be done and bring this these matters to attention.

PIE's position was to simply support the Empress with fervor, and unquestioning loyalty (or fear). I had stopped calling these extremists Sarumites after several prominent members of House Sarum showed me their evidences and disdain for their errant daughter. Thus, Jamylites are those that refused legal discourse and redress by simply abusing passages of the written word of God, which in itself is its own form of sacrilege.

Now to be fair, some members of PIE have also convinced me that not all PIE members agreed, just as there was a silent faction of House Sarum members. My hope is that all organizations and PIE, will always keep a watchful eye, as well as protect our leaders from harm. Beyond all else, the Empire, and the people must come first based upon rational and law. Defend from scourge like the Blood Raiders, Sansha, and the Drifters.

Jamyl is gone. Only a fool fights in a burning house and we have real threats to deal with.


You do realise that you've just accused the Theology Council, the Privy Council and the entire Imperial state apparatus of treason, right?

You seem to have recently come around to the belief that the lead of the Theology Council should be followed, so it's odd that you disagree with them on this.

You can't have it both ways.
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Rodj Blake wrote:

My gripe with CONCORD is that they they are promoting a political text when they claim to be politically neutral.


I'm still not convinced CONCORD is in the delivery business. Citation needed.

Regards... Max Singularity


Who else delivered it to my hangar? The trash fairies?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Arrendis
TK Corp
#44 - 2015-12-27 23:35:35 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Who else delivered it to my hangar? The trash fairies?


GSOL.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#45 - 2015-12-28 00:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
You are an upstart, Singularity. An advocate of chaos. Consider that many who have sparred with you have done so in defense of order, not devotion to any one individual. You challenge traditions, not a single empress.

Max Singularity wrote:
Thus, Jamylites are those that refused legal discourse and redress by simply abusing passages of the written word of God, which in itself is its own form of sacrilege.


One can look to the written word of God, or one can invent their own beliefs. Take care which you choose.

Of course, the same is to be said of those Jamylites who see her as more than she was.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2015-12-28 01:19:59 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Who else delivered it to my hangar? The trash fairies?


GSOL.


The Mittani did it.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Jon Vorn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-12-28 08:03:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jon Vorn
Those who feel guilty contemplating "betraying" the tradition they love by acknowledging their disapproval of elements within it should reflect on the fact that the very tradition to which they are so loyal--the "eternal" tradition introduced to them in their youth--is in fact the evolved product of many adjustments firmly but delicately made by earlier lovers of the same tradition.

It is only those who are in constant examination that discover what is true, not the man who conforms, who follows some tradition blindly. It is only when you are constantly inquiring, constantly observing, constantly learning, that you find truth, God, or love.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#48 - 2015-12-28 10:25:27 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:


The Republic allowed the Pax Amarria to be freely distributed.


But not for free by CONCORD. And anyway, Pax Amarria can hardly be said to be anti-Minmatar when it promotes a peaceful settlement between the Empire and the Republic.

Quote:
It allows Amarrian missionaries to spread their scriptures and preach their religious beliefs without fear of governmental sanction or interference.


No, the authorities just stand by when a hate mob brutally murders one of our missionaries or when terrorists attack a pro-Amarrian play.

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The measure of any free society, with regards to speech, is how well it protects words and ideas deemed hateful, repugnant or otherwise offensive by the majority.


Free speech? You talk about free speech? Let me remind you of the words of the then leader of your corporation when Plantation (the aforementioned play) was bombed...

Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:

...if the aim was not to kill anyone, just to end the show, well executed.


It seems to me that Gradient has never been in favour of free speech except when it suits them.



Oh my where to begin...

First of all the government had no part in the killing of Jarek or the terrorist bombing that you love to harp on. My point was that they were free to enter our space and conduct their affairs without fear of governmental interference. That they had to deal with the consequences of their ill-advised, provocative and, quite frankly, foolish actions has no bearing on the fact that the Republic did not interfere with them.

Second, you pull a snippet of a post with no context and extrapolate from it that Gradient is selective in its support for free speech. You are being at the very least disingenuous and at the most willfully intellectually dishonest. I've known Elsebeth Rhiannon for a number of years and can tell you that she is oath bound to support the laws of the Republic. There's no way that she would support terrorism. It's a shame that your personal enmity towards her has caused you to besmirch her good name in such a manner.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2015-12-28 11:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Anabella Rella wrote:


First of all the government had no part in the killing of Jarek or the terrorist bombing that you love to harp on. My point was that they were free to enter our space and conduct their affairs without fear of governmental interference. That they had to deal with the consequences of their ill-advised, provocative and, quite frankly, foolish actions has no bearing on the fact that the Republic did not interfere with them.


Tell me this: how much effort was put into preventing these crimes? How much effort was put into identifying, capturing, and punishing these terrorists?

Here's the thing - not taking measures to stop crime is the same as promoting it.

Much like blaming the victims of crime instead of the criminals as you seem to be doing.

Quote:

Second, you pull a snippet of a post with no context and extrapolate from it that Gradient is selective in its support for free speech. You are being at the very least disingenuous and at the most willfully intellectually dishonest. I've known Elsebeth Rhiannon for a number of years and can tell you that she is oath bound to support the laws of the Republic. There's no way that she would support terrorism. It's a shame that your personal enmity towards her has caused you to besmirch her good name in such a manner.


The context of Rhiannon's statement was clear - she wasn't sure why the attack happened, she was glad that nobody was hurt, but she was happy that violence had succeeded in cancelling the play. As far as I'm concerned that counts as support for terrorism.

It truly beggars belief that you can say that Elsebeth Rhiannon does not support terrorism with a straight face. The only real difference between Gradient and the Minmatar-supremacist bully boys of the Ushra'khan is that Gradient is better at PR.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#50 - 2015-12-28 12:52:23 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

{snip}
The only real difference between Gradient and the Minmatar-supremacist bully boys of the Ushra'khan is that Gradient is better at PR.


Much the same as the difference between you folks in PIE and Nauplius eh?

Not that I'd expect you you to admit it.

That would just be bad PR. Lol

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#51 - 2015-12-28 13:36:23 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

{snip}
The only real difference between Gradient and the Minmatar-supremacist bully boys of the Ushra'khan is that Gradient is better at PR.


Much the same as the difference between you folks in PIE and Nauplius eh?

Not that I'd expect you you to admit it.

That would just be bad PR. Lol


That's why it's always us that are the ones shooting at his installations Roll

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#52 - 2015-12-28 18:33:52 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

{snip}
The only real difference between Gradient and the Minmatar-supremacist bully boys of the Ushra'khan is that Gradient is better at PR.


Much the same as the difference between you folks in PIE and Nauplius eh?

Not that I'd expect you you to admit it.

That would just be bad PR. Lol


That's why it's always us that are the ones shooting at his installations Roll


And please do keep doing that by all means, I wish you good fortune in the enterprise.

However, both you and he are following creeds drawn from the same source. That both of you consider the other to be in error is a minor point. Both creeds presume the necessity of dominating others, just in different ways.

As to the original point. Max Singularity seems more than a little odd for an Imperial. However until the Theology Council declares him a heretic then who are you to do so? If Cardinal Graelyn or Archbishop have something to say on the matter however I might pay attention.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#53 - 2015-12-28 20:00:51 UTC
I find it interesting that Singularity's biggest supporters in this discussion are Minmatars.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Seraphim Risen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-12-28 20:05:39 UTC
I find it interesting you let a so-clearly biased institution such as CONCORD **** you off so dearly. I put Max Amarria with all my other random **** I find in the universe... Because honestly I don't care enough about the damn thing to even bother finding it in my assets to be rid of it.

Never not badpost.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#55 - 2015-12-28 21:28:49 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
I find it interesting that Singularity's biggest supporters in this discussion are Minmatars.

Well, why wouldn't we support things that make you all look incompetent? Not saying I support him but it is pretty funny...
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#56 - 2015-12-28 22:42:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Singularity
Rodj Blake wrote:
I find it interesting that Singularity's biggest supporters in this discussion are Minmatars.



You and Nippy (and your pal Vaari for good measure) are more alike than you conceive just as positive/negative electrons are alike themselves. Time for change.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#57 - 2015-12-28 23:19:57 UTC
I look forward to the day Mittani gets bored of you and goes to the next big thing.
I will be destroying my 'Max Ammaria.'

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#58 - 2015-12-28 23:59:02 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

I will be destroying my 'Max Ammaria.'


Appreciate your rarefying efforts. Your milage may differ. Do not use with salt. May cause bloating. Some readers have reported enlightened dizziness. Do not read while eating White Castle under any circumstances.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-12-29 01:15:56 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:

I will be destroying my 'Max Ammaria.'


Appreciate your rarefying efforts. Your milage may differ. Do not use with salt. May cause bloating. Some readers have reported enlightened dizziness. Do not read while eating White Castle under any circumstances.


How is a White Castle edible?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#60 - 2015-12-29 08:45:03 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
...It truly beggars belief that you can say that Elsebeth Rhiannon does not support terrorism with a straight face. The only real difference between Gradient and the Minmatar-supremacist bully boys of the Ushra'khan is that Gradient is better at PR.

More of that false equivalence and intellectual dishonesty on display for all to see, eh? Last time I checked U'K clearly turned away from supporting the Republic's laws and legally elected government during the time of the Midular appeasement regime while Gradient remained firmly loyal to the Republic's duly elected government, its laws and ideals. While U'K made a self-aggrandizing foray into null sec sovereignty Gradient continued to fight pirates and other criminals in Republic space and also joined the TLF to fight against Imperial aggression.

Do keep trying to paint Gradient, an honorable and steadfast Republic loyalist organization as some kind of terror outfit though Blake. We can all use a good laugh.