Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But the dominant ship classes right now can tackle, tank, and DPS. Why should the more skill intensive battleship be limited to only tank and DPS, but completely unable to tackle? Not to mention cruisers and frigs can run. Battleships can't. I don't get why we pay more SP to suck more ass. So a battleship's job is not to tackle, but smaller ships DPS and tank better because they negate damage through mobility and apply damage better through smaller guns... and they can tackle for themselves. Where does that leave battleships? Right where they are now, in the garbage.

The main problem for battleships is that they were no meant for small ship PVP. Like it is said above a frigate can hold it all day BC there is no way the battleship can hit it, and most don't use many drones or have bonuses to drones.

What the battleship was intended for in the early days was for capitol fleet fights, back then there were no titans so the biggest damage dealers were the battleships and the ship that they could hit the best was the dreads .

What I would like to see is leave the battleships where they are when it comes to small ship PVP, they are not meant for that. what could be done is bring their DPS up to a meaningful LVL when you compare them to the dreads. you have a dread with min skills pulling 7-8k DPS and a full skilled battleship pilot only able to achieve about 2000 DPS overheated and blaster fit.

Now i'm sure this was prolly a reply in the 7 pages of replies but i didn't want to read through all 7 pages, call me lazy but yea just throwing my two cents into the mix.

I see your point. I cannot help but notice you keep on comparing to twice the price or at least equally expensive ships; which gives me the feeling that what you're actually missing, is a HABS. A T2, Heavy Assault Battleship.

Compare T1 BS to Tech I BCs; don't compare them against T2 HACs which are, by very definition, intended to be mean machines.

It seems to me BSses are fine, but the T2 line of battleships (marauders and blackops) leaves some to be desired. You don't want no bastion crap. You want T2 resists on your battleship hull, and some decent "bang" for your buck -- am I right?



Edit: as for T3s .... I shall assume I fail at fitting. I can't seem to get "everything" out of them but if you say you can, I shall leave it at that. Would be interested in your fit though. Not a critique ... please show me how it's done. I'd like to learn something here.

+1 to the OPs idea.

Who says a BS shouldn't be able to solo? BS (generally) are broken, put up a single BS against a single Frigate and my money would be on the frigate before I even start to consider the fits. That has to be wrong! Sure you can fit a specialised fit to a particular ship which would work in a specific contrived situation. But a BS ought to be able to shrug off a single frigate without any specific fit. It should take 3 or 4 frigates to worry a BS and then still be a good fight, but currently it is just an easy gank. If a frigate does go down it is because the frigate pilot made a noob mistake, not that it matters because the price differential still made it well worth it.

Yes it would confuse, it would turn Eve from "Rock, Paper, Scissors" into "Rock, Paper, Scissors, Thumbtack, Nailfile, Fire, Water, Brinstone and Wrench". You would have the most incredible fits, the innovators and EFT warriors that EVE is famed for would shine, in time people would copy their fits and then CCP would nerf them. No longer would the solo BS just be a KB stat, instead the frigate pilot would have to stop and wonder, even fear. The last time he took a BS on it turned out to have a massive tank, 8 small autocannons (with +37.5% tracking and +25% damage) and ate his frigate gang alive. Maybe this time, they should ship into cruisers just in case. Meanwhile the solo frigate which managed to down a BS would actually have accomplished something worth bragging about.

I'm not really good at this but shouldn't the proteus use the long scram sub and then scram you from outside of web range and make you a sitting duck? You can use faction webs to reach further but then the proteus can also use faction scram so you are back out of range.

You've heard of neuts. People use them.

This.

Not to mention a solo proteus isn't really a thing. It's terribly unfair to compare battleships to prots.

A standard fleet AB prot will a) have logi b) have a sig of ~175 c) have 805 DPS d) have ~131k EHP e) very long scrams. All before heat and links. Add those and it's silly season bringing it to 115 sig, 185k EHP....no resists under 75%. Add some heat and you're looking at 919DPS, 199k EHP. For additional lols, let's add the lowsec favourite, HG slaves: 299k EHP....on that sig.

They are disgusting. And not bomb vulnerable either. And using medium weapons so will track medium hulls far better too.

Of course there is a reason the T3s have skill point loss and cost 4-5x as much as a mega.

If battleships get 25% bonus HP plus a larger set of armor plates and shield extenders, and strategic cruisers lose the tech 2 resists, then battleships will have several times the EHP of strategic cruisers, and that makes sense.

I can agree with a targeting range increase. Battleships commonly have difficulty targeting out to their weapons' range without sensor boosters, and may need more than one range-scripted booster if they have a weapon range bonus.

But if anything battleship scan resolution should probably go down a bit. And I'd lower capital ship scan res a bit, too, especially on Titans. Will they complain about lock times on battleships? Of course they will. Ignore it. Will they complain about lock times on carriers? Sure, but it's really not that bad if you paint the carrier up real nice. Will they complain about lock times on other supercaps? No, they'll still lock supercaps in an inconsequential amount of time.

A fleet-boosted Avatar with 2x Cormack's Sensor Booster, scripted for scan resolution can lock an Archon in 3 seconds, an Abaddon in 4.8 seconds, or a Hurricane in 5.8 seconds. This stems from a base scan resolution of 45mm, which should probably be no higher than 25mm. Even then it won't really have much difficulty locking battleships, but at least the sig radius of a ship might actually matter when it comes to the time it takes for a titan to lock it. But 45mm!? That's almost as high as a Tayra!

I agree. 1400mm Artillery II with Tremor ammo and max skills gets a range of 108+44km before any other bonuses. The poor Tempest has only 84.38km targeting range after skills and before bonuses. With a range-scripted T2 sensor booster, its targeting range goes up to 135km, or optimal plus 61% of falloff. This is sensor boosted targeting range underperforming for turrets that do not have a range bonus on ship skill or modules.

And it's not just an issue for the Tempest--let's take a look at a ship that's actually built for range: the Apocalypse. The Apocalypse has a lower base targeting range than the Abaddon despite having a range bonus for its weapons which the Abaddon does not have. The base (max skill) range of T2 Tachyon Beam Laser with Aurora ammo is 119+25km and with the Apocalypse's bonus at 5 it goes up to 163+25km, while the Apocalypse's base (max skill) targeting range is barely higher than the Tempest at 91.25km. With 1 T2 sensor booster it goes up to 146km, with 2 it goes up to 222.13km, finally exceeding just the optimal range of the turrets before any extra range bonuses are added.

I'd say battleship range in general should be about 2x as high as cruiser range, whereas right now it's not nearly that high. Also, ships with a range bonus to weapons should have a higher targeting range. The Apocalypse should have a longer targeting range than the Abaddon, and the Raven should have an especially long targeting range--it's only 93.75km after skills. Cruise missiles on a Raven with max skills have a range of 222km before other range effects.



I think a better solution would be to make the MMJD only jump a ship 50km, then make a SMJD that jumps a ship 25km. It is those smaller ones that should have a shorter cooldown, and you should be able to use them on larger ships but it should cost capacitor based on their mass, making it so large ships have to pay a whole lot of capacitor to make rapid jumps with the smaller modules. Everybody should be able to fit MJDs--battleships clearly get an advantage here, being able to fit the big ones that jump 100km.

Would that break DSTs? Perhaps. Maybe DSTs need to be able to jump 100km, not just 50km. Well an easy band-aid fix would be to give them a role bonus doubling their microjump range, but I think it would make more sense to turn them into a true battleship-sized industrial, complete with thousands of megawatts of powergrid, large rigs, and a meatier slot layout. Combined with T2 resists and defensive skill bonuses, they could maintain a very strong active tank using battleship modules and it would be less contrived and finagled than the current DST which is pretending to be a cruiser-sized ship.



Yes, 25% base hit points plus the option of larger armor plates and shield extenders.



I disagree. Battleships used to all have huge drone bays and they would curbstomp every small ship they came across. Frigates were basically useless against battleships, which is antithetical to the purpose of having frigates in the game. Battleships are not meant to be a solopwnmobile. If you want lots of little drones to protect your battleship from pesky frigates, then choose a battleship with a big drone bay, and that choice should come with sacrifices. There is absolutely no need to have the old Megathron with its full weapon layout plus Dominix drone bay. Either pick drones, pick weapons, or fly a mix-n-match ship like the Hyperion or Armageddon.