EVE General Discussion

We do, I'm happy to see them leave.

That's CCP's choice:

- choose for the players who understand and agree to the sandbox idea and like it the way it is but of course do like improvements and updates as long as the core concept is left in tact. EVE has no competition in this scenario

- choose for the players who now for a long time have been playing a game they don't like, so don't make much sense, don't interact much with others and want, as any PVE grinder, continued PVE content updates. They keep threatening with "if you don't do as i say and completely change the game I'll leave!" which will never stop because there's always something else that they'll need hand holding with. EVE has tons of competition here and new ones come out almost on a monthly basis



CCP might have the idea that they can have their cake and eat it but that is not the case.

Nutters.

The kind of person who stands outside of Burger King on a box, shouting into a megaphone that Burger King are idiots for not selling Tacos, and by the heavens they would buy Tacos. Listen people!

You know...nutters.

Edit: Grammar. Also...your stuff, give it to me and leave.

No it's not. It's a big assumption that they're the only ones leaving, but it's no assumption to say they're the only ones leaving because EVE doesn't hold their hand and tell them they're god-kings of everything and everyone.

Just a few thoughts from a long time vet(beta player)

eve seems to have lost direction as of late many of the changes just dont make as much sense.

wish eve never added supers and instead added more diverse capitol ships this would have created a much more dynamic pvp setting.

T3 cruisers have broken the game in so many ways its not even funny, they would have been better off adding t3 mods that where built from WH stuffs than these broken OP t3 ships.

they economy has become so out of wack the game has become too risk adverse and people are much less willing to fight due to huge cost of ships and mods.....

as far as new players are concerned i think 2 things have destroyed eves ability to bring in new players..... 1st suicide ganking in empire(have done this plenty myself) but still think it needs to go #1 reason why new players go MEH im done.. 2nd the empire war system changes have become cancerous creating a culture of griefing(this creates more problems with economy)

the new sov war system is MEH and has created a stale 0.0 experience.

FW should be a huge entry point to PVP for new players but instead has created a LP farming paradise with meh PVP.

Changes i would make if i had a say in it are pretty simple and might get flamed but i like to think my experience in the game helps me make objective opinions

1st..... remove the ability to fire at players in high sec without wardec(i know huge bear but think about it... if we want new players to every venture out of empire or stay long enough to become part of the community or drive ship costs down enough to encourage pvp in low/null sec we need to do this).

2nd..... rework the war system to keep the market hub griefers at bay.... limit the ammount of active wars and charge more for every war after 3 limit to 5 total.... look im a huge fan of PVP and smashing peoples internet spaceships i created INFOD one of the original pirate corps. but i also understand i want to keep playing this game for a long time and to do this we need to keep new players around long enough to learn how the game works rather than drive them off.

3rd..... FIX FW get rid of this stupid LP farming system that forces everyone to fly around in WC stabed frigs and encourage PVP this is a great way to get players into the PVP aspect of the game and should be a great recruiting tool for 0.0 alliances.

4th.... fix hisec mining(i wont be cought dead in a barge but understand it) alot of this can be fixed with cutting down/limiting suicide ganking in high sec but we need to get more minerals into the economy to bring ships costs down and increase PVP lost cost = more pew plan and simple.


i know lot of the 0.0 players feel that they most reward should be for 0.0 players and i understand that because it also offers the most risk playstyle but what most of them dont understnad is new players dont start in 0.0 and if eve doesnt fix empire we will keep seeing its playerbase dwindle.....

there are many more thoughts i have had about the state of the game and how to fix it but feel this would be a great start for CCP and help get newer players into the game

I'm not a "long term" player (or whatever). I played EVE for about a year back in 2012. I loved it. I was intrigued, but life got in the way & couldn't play again until just a few days ago when I got CCP Christmas sale email. So I renewed my account. I read up on the changes.

I'm a trader & a miner. I enjoy producing. I make your guns, your drones & your ammo. I mine & refine & run blueprints. That's what I enjoy doing. I even enjoy the thrill of slipping into low-sec to find a little Jasper.

But tonight I got suicide ganked. In hi-sec. And then podded too. I had no chance to run or hide or defend my Retriever. Total fly by. And then harassed by eve - mail. Demanding 10 Million ISK to keep them from ganking me again.

I quoted your post to say that for me, those two points are related. The economy may be out of whack, because of the ganking.

What will you gank when all the producers are gone? It's a game based on free will, I get that. An occasional gank is one thing. But these guys' sole purpose in the game is to destroy & disrupt producers. It's a game based on free will & producers will choose to stop producing when it no longer benefits them to do so.

I made guns, ammo & catalyst ships. I was literally destroyed by my client base. Why would I continue to produce for these guys? I've only been back a short time & already thinking "meh". Not the game I played in 2012.

Want to stop suicide ganking? Give producers a way to fight back? Allow me to choose who I sell to. Let me put corps like the one that ganked me tonight on a "no buy" list. I wonder how long they would last when their victims cut off their supply.

The biggest producers are in nulsec. I would still have ships to fly even if every last highsec miner left the game overnight.

i ended up selling the account to a friend and then buying it back(stupid i know but thought i was done with eve only to change my mind).....and have sold the main who was a may 03 char and use this guy as my main now.

as a veteran i have seen all the changes good and bad aswell as seeing the community grow and shrink. having interacted with many players over the years i have learned a great deal about what new and old players have enjoyed/hated about the game granted all that is peoples opinions and not hard fact still you hear alot of the same complaints from those that leave not matter what the ccp exit survey results are.....

i love this game and have enjoyed many of the things i think ccp needs to address as negatives suicide ganking is fun for the ganker trust me i get it but in the long term not good for eve for many reasons....and as i see less and less players logging in i think CCP needs to make some serious changes to the new player experience and core mechanics to retain the new players or watch this game die a slow death... i love eve and have dedicated way too many hours to this game(ask my wife lol) to watch the grief fest high sec has become kill it off.

i would love to see less fluff patches like ship skins and meh and more content changes to improve the game for all players not just the Sov players even though i have accounts in 0.0. i would prefer eve give the newer players a chance to understand all eve has to offer before they leave in frustration.

EDIT: just for the record im not a highsec player..... i have accounts in 0.0, WH and faction war i despise Highsec gameplay wouldnt be cought dead in a mining barge and missions are meh. just of the opinion that ccp could do more to improve the experience of all eve players not just us in 0.0

Groups like Miniluv & Code produce their own ships anyway. Lets be really fair here though: Producers benefit heavily from the activity of ganking, so why would they want to put gankers on a no buy list?

I wouldn't go so far as to target them specifically, but time has shown us that the most likely people to play EVE long term are the people that have positive interactions with the community. The "I want to pay 15 bucks a month to play a destruction-based MMO solo" aren't the people that continue playing, because playing with yourself is boring.