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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Flamespar
WarRavens
#2301 - 2012-01-09 05:24:19 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are.

Why does CCP owe you this information?


Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely.

If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune.


How is that any different then the letdown to FIS players who have been paying CCP a sub for several years to build EVE the serious internet spaceship game and finish the features thay only half-finished while most of the company's resources were diverted during that time to fund Incarna/WOD and DUST?


It isn't. Our request for answers is just as valid as those asking what is going on with FiS.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2302 - 2012-01-09 05:29:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Flamespar wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
and that CCP tells us what it's future plans for WiS are.

Why does CCP owe you this information?


Because we invested money into the companies promises for several years and were let down immensely.

If it was the same situation with FiS you'd be singing a different tune.


How is that any different then the letdown to FIS players who have been paying CCP a sub for several years to build EVE the serious internet spaceship game and finish the features thay only half-finished while most of the company's resources were diverted during that time to fund Incarna/WOD and DUST?


It isn't. Our request for answers is just as valid as those asking what is going on with FiS.


They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2303 - 2012-01-09 05:30:46 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
It isn't. Our request for answers is just as valid as those asking what is going on with FiS.

WiS isn't canceled and it is on the backburner. Happy now?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2304 - 2012-01-09 05:36:21 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.


What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks.

I enjoy the fact that people like you are so threatened by a simple request for clarification.
Taiwanistan
#2305 - 2012-01-09 05:38:32 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.


What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks.

I enjoy the fact that people like you are so threatened by a simple request for clarification.

not threatened, but entertained

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2306 - 2012-01-09 05:39:03 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.


What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks.

I enjoy the fact that people like you are so threatened by a simple request for clarification.


I don't think Ladie Harlot is threatened. Quite the opposite really.
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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2307 - 2012-01-09 05:41:16 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:


They answered you..


And we've answered you. You're taking the argument in triangles for lack of anything better to contribute.

The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not.

Now are we going to keep arguing in triangles, or can you just accept that we aren't going to be satisfied with that amount of information? I'm not going to stamp my foot and demand anything, but I'm not going to pretend i'm satisfied with a vague vision of whats to come on a feature I've been waiting on for years.

If you guys don't like where we stand and you don't support what we're doing, maybe you should quit bumping the thread.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2308 - 2012-01-09 05:42:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Flamespar wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

They answered you. WIS is postponed (backburner). FIS makes CCP money now and helps to retain existing subscribers. That is why they are again focused on FIS instead of something that is going to take years to work in a way that will satisfy your expectations.


What we got was Hilmar saying that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then he said that it was something that they 'may' get back to. We are asking CCP to clarify his remarks.

I enjoy the fact that people like you are so threatened by a simple request for clarification.


I'm not threatened at all, but you are demanding answers on a timeline that CCP cannot support. FIS people demanded answers for years, and all we ever we got was "hey we are :awesome:" and :excellence:. You are pissed because they haven't said anything you want to hear for 2 months.

If you want answers buy a ticket to fanfest and you can literally get in CCP's face and demand them. Have no doubt that they are preparing for that and will be saying something at that time.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2309 - 2012-01-09 05:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
You've had half-finished and sometimes broken features for years.

We've had no features for years.

I am failing to see how you guys got the short end of the stick.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2310 - 2012-01-09 05:49:40 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
You've had half-finished and sometimes broken features for years.

We've had no features for years.

I am failing to see how you guys got the raw end of the stick.



If you signed-on to play EVE specifically for WIS before it was done and working, all I can say is caveat emptor. You shafted yourself.

WIS still isn't a feature, so your "we had no features for years" argument is non-sequitur.

/ I got to use latin in context twice!

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2311 - 2012-01-09 05:53:26 UTC
What he probably should have said, is that WiS has been a 'promised' feature for years (and years).

Also, I shall name my next ship the non-sequitur in your honour good sir.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2312 - 2012-01-09 05:53:30 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:

We've had no features for years.

You are playing the wrong game.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Disdaine
#2313 - 2012-01-09 06:04:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Disdaine
Ladie Harlot wrote:

No. As usual you didn't actually read what I wrote.

No. I read what you wrote.
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We pay a monthly fee and the only thing CCP owes us is access to the game for the amount of time we pay for. For our subscription fee we aren't owed any future development and anybody who expects it is dumb.

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I said that the riots and people canceling their accounts were doing so because the game had been neglected for two years and we were tired of paying for a broken game that was being neglected while CCP worked on space pants.

How can they neglect something that is provided as is. You had no reason to riot as CCP owes you nothing except access to the game as is. By expecting them to fix their "broken" game which you signed up to play you then proceed to call yourself dumb.
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You guys are trying to make this way more complicated than it needs to be.

Pretty simple really. You've just said that we have no reason to expect WiS development, and you have no reason to argue against WiS development. They owe us nothing.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2314 - 2012-01-09 06:13:54 UTC
I honestly don't think I can simplify it for you any further but I'll give it another shot because never stop posting...

I asked some angry guy why he felt CCP owed him an answer about when CCP was going to make more space barbie clothes.

He answered with something like because he considered his monthly subscription an investment in future content.

I said the monthly subscription allows you access to the game for the month you paid for. It doesn't guarantee future content.

During the summer of rage a lot of Eve subscribers looked at the state of the game and decided it wasn't worth the cost of a monthly subscription.

Apparently enough people came to that conclusion that it made CCP snap out of their bad decision-making and refocus on Eve.

They produced Crucible and a lot of the people who canceled were happy with what they saw and resubbed.

The bottom line is that CCP has more (and happier) subscribers when they are working on real Eve content than they did when they were working on crappy roleplaying content.

I put a line break in between each section to hopefully make it easier for you to read.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Taiwanistan
#2315 - 2012-01-09 06:15:06 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
just give a clear statement about the future of WiS


We can't really give a clear statement on the future of WiS because at this time because we have no updated plan, and only have some ideas rolling around.

WiS is not our top priority for us at the moment at least, while we re-organize everything and sort out some other things, but as soon as we know more, you'll know more (or you know...really soon after as it always takes a little bit of time to write dev blogs and stuff).


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=604426#post604426

jesus christ if you understand english it means, we don't know yet, we will tell you when we do,

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2316 - 2012-01-09 07:51:59 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

We've had no features for years.

You are playing the wrong game.


no u
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#2317 - 2012-01-09 07:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Well, when the time does come for those "idea's" to be discussed in earnest, lets hope they get considerable feedback from both sides before they get too carried away.

One disconnect that is going to have to be dealt with is the desire to make it optional, and yet deal with the opinion that if it's optional means it can also be done without leaving your ship... thus removing the "need" for Incarna.

I think the answer will ultimately be that many things will end up with only Incarna based interaction possible (hopefully things that make sense Smile) but that are considered "optional" in the same way that all of the many ways to make ISK in game are currently considered optional.

Some professions will be strictly WIS based, others can be done either way, and some (obviously) can only be done FIS. All of them need to inter relate in a sensible manner though.

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Ai Shun
#2318 - 2012-01-09 09:00:37 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
The answer CCP provided held insufficient information for us. For you maybe, for us not.


So CCP Guard provided an answer of - "We don't know yet, we'll tell you when we know."

What more do you want? Or, what type of answer would satisfy you?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2319 - 2012-01-09 09:50:52 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

We've had no features for years.

You are playing the wrong game.


no u

Thanks. I usually don't get such immediate feedback when I've won an argument...most of the people who fall before my superior logic and posting just disappear.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Disdaine
#2320 - 2012-01-09 10:16:40 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Thanks. I usually don't get such immediate feedback when I've won an argument...most of the people who fall before my superior logic and posting just disappear.

Lol
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The people who rioted and canceled their accounts were sending a message that if CCP continued to waste time on WiS nonsense that they weren't going to continue to pay every month for access to the game.

So it was WiS that caused the riots and not WoD , Dust, Ishukone scorpion, Aurum, golden ammo or the fearless newsletter.

Never stop posting.