EVE General Discussion

One could say those games are CMOs: Consensual Multiplayer Online or Cooperative Multiplayer Online




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MOHMO = massively over-hyped multiplayer online

No one will be happier then me if the above is the case. I've met bunches of people who have said "I came to eve because I thought I could fly space ships here, but I was dissapointed". They tend to get upset when they are told that their disappointment came from their own ignorance, not a problem with the game. I knew what eve was before I downloaded it, hell I read about it for months before I caved to my friends pressure to get the game.

People that don't do research then blame someone or something else for their issues irratate me to no end.

Goon are the biggest reason I don't play, except for an occasional drop in for a month, fly a couple of ships around, let it expire.

Crybabies backed into a corner, surrounded by NIP's, and still cry.

It's so pathetic it's sickening. I can't stand to see it, so I just leave.

But yea, significantly less players since the last time I was on.

And yet here you are, crying about them, and calling them the reason you 'don't play' despite having to be subscribed to access the forums. Your doublethink is amazing.

What are you talking about?

That's every "please change EVE" thread ever. I just can't like this one enough, sums up everything.

This comparison is "fascinating", however does not apply. A better comparison would have been: "Everyone are building electric power town motor bikes, WE ARE GOING TO STICK WITH OIL FUEL MIXTURE!".

Electric and generally environment friendly(-er) power is something that is going to happen. It's a factor that can't be ignored. A company ignoring it, is going to save a lot of money today but is going to be horribly behind when time will be mature. It'll be next to impossible to close the gap they left vs the other companies.

Same thing is happening to gaming. There are factors. In 2003 the world was shaped one way and today it's in another and as EvE player I'd say "and we have to deal with it".

Factors that EvE must deal with or slowly bleed to death:

- players are subject to turnover (duh!). Yes you can still see a 2004 player somewhere, they are getting rare.

- players needs have higher priority than player games. A 2004 player today is a busy father and gone are the "golden years" with those juicy 12 hours EvE sessions. These days his 3.30am wake up call does not come from his flight commander but from his baby who needs his diapers changed NOW. That is, even the "though guys" from the ancient times have things to do they didn't use to have. For the same reason, the evil 0.4 sec pirate who enjoyed waiting 1 hour for bypasser preys, these days logs in and has 87 things to do in real life that could really be helped if he dedicated some of that hour doing them.

- we are in the visual age. MUDs were like books: they powered your imagination and doing so, provided for unforgettable emotions and daydream adventures. But it's over now. Like it or not (as avid MUD player imagine how I hate writing this) these days are gone. Games these days look awesome, the movie making and the gaming industry are slowly merging or sharing their capabilities. Therefore modern players like eye candy. EvE has done great efforts in that regards, it's one of the aspects that helped it stay alive so long. I am also subbed to other 2003 MMOs that did not share the same fate: they are stuck with DirectX 7, it's like playing X-Wing today (BTW if updated to today's standards I'd re-purchase X-Wing again...). Those games are now close to dead.

- subscription policies have changed. Few AAA titles keep a traditional, full subscription. EvE invented PLEX and it's been a great thing. But times are pressing even harder than PLEX. PLEX can be a blessing or a curse. They have been a blessing with a booming playerbase, they can be a curse with a shrinking playerbase, because PLEX becomes expensive not because of healthy demand but because people stop wanting to pay EvE with money because "it's not worth the sub price".

All of the above are factors nobody of us asked for, yet CCP has to deal with them.

Most of all, the EvE experience HAS TO BE SUPERIOR. You lie to yourself if you believe EvE is selling oranges. Denial is not going to change the fact that apples and oranges are both fruits. Even just buying half apples and half oranges, cuts CCP's revenue in half. Because the amount of space-sim interested playerbase is not so large (otherwise you'd have seen competition come in years ago), the playerbase changes over the years and forcibly imposes the factors I mentioned above.

Why do you think the new Star Wars "course" has been about showing more pew pew and less "sit com"? Because that's what people wanted. They want to see the spaceships, they want to be IN a spaceship and re-live the feeling.
EvE's offer includes a lousy "submarine sim" I hated since day zero. Navigation is dumb as well, it's impossible that a futuristic ship can't pick a free direction, drop off warp when they feel like and so on. In ED I can warp scramble people in any place and I can chase them, it's FAR more fun than sitting at a gate all day long! (you can also do that, choice is good!).

Basically, up to today there have not been innovations to compete vs EvE, now there are and EvE has to OUTDO them, not to "sell cheaper" (your ironic objection). EvE even got Valkyrie to help, I hope CCP won't do the DEADLY mistake of keeping Valkirie a VR device game only / not merging into EvE.



QFT!

This is fear mongering. EvE is going no where!

That is a whole lot of "statements" and "facts" backed by a whole lot of nothing other than "see, others do it too" and "it's not that *I* want it to be that way, honest".

"MMO's are dead, they're dead as social tools. You better add a whole lot more solo game play". Do you even think about what you're vomiting onto the keyboard?

Generalisations that mean nothing. EVE is a niche game. It's going to appeal to a minority, which includes younger players with great attention spans and older players who are both capable of managing their time effectively enough to get a lot out of this game, and those who have retired or work from home and have a lot of free time on their hands.

I have a young brother who has a fantastic attention span, and the last thing this game needs to do is cater to those with the short ones. It won't be EVE anymore.

I'm not seeing an argument that EVE has any need to be more 'successful' than it is, but barring that, you're ignoring the fact that EVE is incredibly successful, having survived the market longer than WoW has even existed with its subscription model still intact.

You can reject EVE's uniqueness as a measure of success all you like, at the end of the day, if EVE can't stand on its own merits and has to become something else to succeed.... well, it's something else, and not EVE. If you want something else, then go and play something else.

The thing about EVE is, it doesn't just fill a niche, it creates it as well. Trying to squeeze into the same space like Perpetuum did was probably doomed from the beginning, because the niche audience games like this have is mostly already occupied over here. To compete with EVE for the same audience, you have to first make EVE less attractive to its existing one. That being said, Perpetuum isn't even the same kind of gameplay. I don't know why people insist on comparing EVE to games that are so different on so many levels. SC, Elite, and now Perpetuum. I don't know, sometimes I get the feeling that people like you actually want to drive EVE into the ground. For all I know, you're a Perpetuum dev trying to make EVE less attractive to it's audience.