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Dreadnought changes (Effect on Escals..)

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Winthorp
#21 - 2015-11-05 10:35:51 UTC
HAHA GET REKT NERDS.
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#22 - 2015-12-20 04:45:25 UTC
I tend to think they will not be nerfing solo escalations ... it's been said before incursions and null sites are stupid easy isk and in never ending supply. I hope their intent is to make them less of a boring ass grind but still able to be run solo by a competent pilot.

These changes are likely due to some new meta ccp is working on for capital ship combat in null. I'm confident the intent is to make them more fun to pilot. I'm also confident I have too much faith in ccp.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-12-20 11:45:08 UTC
KC Kamikaze wrote:
I tend to think they will not be nerfing solo escalations...

you tend to be incorrect

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ScarlettJohanson
Awakened Legion
#24 - 2015-12-20 12:29:08 UTC
Personally I think they need to stop changing the game up with everything eve and just let things be.
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#25 - 2015-12-21 06:55:38 UTC
ScarlettJohanson wrote:
Personally I think they need to stop changing the game up with everything eve and just let things be.


There's mechanics so bad and unbalanced, that changes are more than welcome, dreadblapping and solo dread are great examples of that ;)
Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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#26 - 2015-12-21 13:10:43 UTC
RcTamiya wrote:
ScarlettJohanson wrote:
Personally I think they need to stop changing the game up with everything eve and just let things be.


There's mechanics so bad and unbalanced, that changes are more than welcome, dreadblapping and solo dread are great examples of that ;)


Please tell me that was support for your bigger fleet.

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Arden Bastilla
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-12-22 20:46:49 UTC
It's obvious that the Dread changes will affect Cap Escalations in WH space, and of course Citadel attacks.

Which means CCP will hopefully rebalance Cap escalations. So maybe instead of a large wave of Sleeper BS for the escalation it's more like 1-2 Capitals with 3-4 BS where the Caps can't hit the subs and visa versa. That way you are forced to bring a dread/carrier into the site (one because you need to initiate the spawn) and two a sub cap fleet to kill the smaller ships. From my understanding CCP wants caps to HAVE to rely on subs for survival.

Right now you maybe not have the endless sites like incursions but you can run them with only a few accounts or less which means a few people getting really rich. With a new setup CCP might be forcing fleets that are setup to run Cap Escalations.

I would say that they should also change the site spawning mechanic as we all know that WH's will collect sites until they eventually despawn which means people will go into other WHs and activate all the sites just to get more to spawn into theirs.

They should make the site spawning similar to NS where the class determines how many and what type are permanently there, maybe with a random chance for special sites to spawn. Then all you have to do is adjust the loot to time rewards to determine how to bring WHs in line with NS or something like that.

Everyone is getting hung up on how the dread changes are going to hurt WHs, but all it means is that CCP needs to adjust Cap Escalations to match the Dread changes.
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#28 - 2015-12-24 03:37:02 UTC
RcTamiya wrote:
ScarlettJohanson wrote:
Personally I think they need to stop changing the game up with everything eve and just let things be.


There's mechanics so bad and unbalanced, that changes are more than welcome, dreadblapping and solo dread are great examples of that ;)


Is that why you've been using an even more broken mechanic of bombing sleepers in a red giant?

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RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#29 - 2015-12-24 09:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: RcTamiya
Michael1995 wrote:
RcTamiya wrote:
ScarlettJohanson wrote:
Personally I think they need to stop changing the game up with everything eve and just let things be.


There's mechanics so bad and unbalanced, that changes are more than welcome, dreadblapping and solo dread are great examples of that ;)


Is that why you've been using an even more broken mechanic of bombing sleepers in a red giant?


Is that why you have a Thread in your Forum for Smartbombfarming C6 RG?

Also i doubt that those mechanics are related with dreads in any way, as this thread is about them and not farming escalations ;)

I'd prefer sleeper capitals and a rework of escalations, including moving some money from escalations to the waves themselves.
Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#30 - 2015-12-24 16:01:37 UTC
KC Kamikaze wrote:
I tend to think they will not be nerfing solo escalations


Then I don't think you and CCP are on the same page. They have said that they will be changing escalations so that capitals will not spawn additional farmable waves, and that it will not be possible to farm a site for multiple days. They've also said they want to encourage people to PVE in their static.
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#31 - 2015-12-25 01:26:24 UTC
RcTamiya wrote:
Is that why you have a Thread in your Forum for Smartbombfarming C6 RG?

Also i doubt that those mechanics are related with dreads in any way, as this thread is about them and not farming escalations ;)

I'd prefer sleeper capitals and a rework of escalations, including moving some money from escalations to the waves themselves.


Atleast we were risking the capitals and a sizeable amount of battleships by keeping them on grid?
And before you say that that method was equally as riskless...

That's quite different than warping unrigged istabbed capitals to a ping on a site and then using a 40m ship to farm without risk. Unless you're dropbears & pets or these guys.

It's pretty obvious CCP already has some kind of idea what they're going to be doing with capital escalations.

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RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#32 - 2015-12-25 18:25:46 UTC
Michael1995 wrote:
RcTamiya wrote:
Is that why you have a Thread in your Forum for Smartbombfarming C6 RG?

Also i doubt that those mechanics are related with dreads in any way, as this thread is about them and not farming escalations ;)

I'd prefer sleeper capitals and a rework of escalations, including moving some money from escalations to the waves themselves.


Atleast we were risking the capitals and a sizeable amount of battleships by keeping them on grid?
And before you say that that method was equally as riskless...

That's quite different than warping unrigged istabbed capitals to a ping on a site and then using a 40m ship to farm without risk. Unless you're dropbears & pets or these guys.

It's pretty obvious CCP already has some kind of idea what they're going to be doing with capital escalations.


sounds like you'Re butthurt and discuss this in the worng thread... however a decent combatprober will be able to tackle a capital at its ping in time, i bet you know that ;)
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#33 - 2015-12-26 03:53:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael1995
RcTamiya wrote:
sounds like you'Re butthurt and discuss this in the worng thread... however a decent combatprober will be able to tackle a capital at its ping in time, i bet you know that ;)


Ah yes, the classic 'when your argument has run its course start saying they're butthurt' maneuver.

Also, how is this the wrong thread? This thread is about the announced Dread changes and how that will affect capital escalations in W-Space. CCP knows that escalations would be unrunnable with the proposed changes so they are working on changing them up from what they are to something that has sleeper capitals, probably to be pushed out the same time as the Dread changes.

E: Have YOU tried catching a hyperspatial istabbed capital escalating at a ping? You should try it out. Atleast with hero dreading you're committing to a siege cycle or two. Red Giant farming is the most risk free isk in W-Space.

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RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#34 - 2015-12-26 09:39:24 UTC
Michael1995 wrote:
RcTamiya wrote:
sounds like you'Re butthurt and discuss this in the worng thread... however a decent combatprober will be able to tackle a capital at its ping in time, i bet you know that ;)


Ah yes, the classic 'when your argument has run its course start saying they're butthurt' maneuver.

Also, how is this the wrong thread? This thread is about the announced Dread changes and how that will affect capital escalations in W-Space. CCP knows that escalations would be unrunnable with the proposed changes so they are working on changing them up from what they are to something that has sleeper capitals, probably to be pushed out the same time as the Dread changes.

E: Have YOU tried catching a hyperspatial istabbed capital escalating at a ping? You should try it out. Atleast with hero dreading you're committing to a siege cycle or two. Red Giant farming is the most risk free isk in W-Space.



Yes, we have caught stabbed dreads and carriers at a ping in RG, only once though (because we never had somebody doing this while we're connected yet again), however it was a close one ;)
Let's be honest, even sleeper capitals in theory could be bombed to death, also i bet that solodreading will stay viable even with sleeper capitals, if dreads can kill sleeper caps, it's only a dps vs ehp race and if you win this with 1 dread, you can farm solo
However, make sleepers spawn more spread out or on random locaitons will also nerf isk/h from groups, who (in my opinion) don't need a nerf for their income (looking at the usual 2 dreads 2 carrier + lokis fleet).
Did you know that bombing sleepers has less than 500m isk/h profit?! I'd say in compairson with incursions, the fact that you need at least 3 bombers and that you need to do preperations (kill the sentrys or have VERY good warpspots and tanked bombers) balances this "broken mechanic".

In worst case it changes wspace PvE that you only have a triage and subcaps commited, while you only use your dreads to escalate the site, if our dreads have trouble tracking subcaps, i expect sleepercaps having equal issues ... time will tell ;)
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#35 - 2015-12-27 02:25:09 UTC
RcTamiya wrote:
Yes, we have caught stabbed dreads and carriers at a ping in RG, only once though (because we never had somebody doing this while we're connected yet again), however it was a close one ;)
Let's be honest, even sleeper capitals in theory could be bombed to death, also i bet that solodreading will stay viable even with sleeper capitals, if dreads can kill sleeper caps, it's only a dps vs ehp race and if you win this with 1 dread, you can farm solo
However, make sleepers spawn more spread out or on random locaitons will also nerf isk/h from groups, who (in my opinion) don't need a nerf for their income (looking at the usual 2 dreads 2 carrier + lokis fleet).
Did you know that bombing sleepers has less than 500m isk/h profit?! I'd say in compairson with incursions, the fact that you need at least 3 bombers and that you need to do preperations (kill the sentrys or have VERY good warpspots and tanked bombers) balances this "broken mechanic".

In worst case it changes wspace PvE that you only have a triage and subcaps commited, while you only use your dreads to escalate the site, if our dreads have trouble tracking subcaps, i expect sleepercaps having equal issues ... time will tell ;)


Could you link said kill because I just had a quick look through the past 6 months of your killboard and can't seem to find it? tia.

Dude people are still having trouble running the current escalations in 2015, if CCP were to change it up to be something like 2-4 sleeper capitals and 12 BS then alot of people are boned. Keep in mind that CCP currently wants to make it so capital guns won't beable to touch anything non-capital. You'll NEED subcap DPS.

Are you still using over 80 bombs to clear a quad wave when it only requires 30 or so? Did you know that sometimes people tornado gank singled out ships in incursion fleets? Yeah I guess that makes incursion isk 100% balanced. Don't give me that crap, anyone with half a brain can copy a fit and make bomber warpins.

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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#36 - 2015-12-27 16:03:02 UTC
Why a dread when u can hit subcaps for 2k dps , whilst webbing for 90% effectiveness and being able to recieve rr and cap. THE VINDI AGE IS HERE. ALL HAIL THE SERPENTIS.
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