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High-Security Status: CODE overturned

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#81 - 2015-12-14 16:13:05 UTC
XeX Znndstrup wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Does OP realize that a toon with a -10 sec status can be freely engaged and killed (without CONCROD intervention) in hisec, and that most CODE. reps are -10 sec status?
All lies ! Hire Marmites today for CODE cleaning. Twisted
Do you know we pay interesting amount of ISK for this type of cleaning ? You know where to call Blink

Oh god why
Sophia Soprano
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#82 - 2015-12-15 05:23:53 UTC
Quentin Jorinson wrote:
As you can see, the four-point system for eliminating the final traces of CODE rebels has a successful start.

In defense of CODE, I'll state this: we, too, hate the idea of AFK miners milking all the resources out of high-security space. We, too, encourage players to learn as much as they can about defending themselves in space. The original concept behind CODE, as we've read, seems to be something wonderful. Unfortunately, a few unsavory members have translated the CODE to mean "suicide-gank a newbie in a venture, even though he's not AFK, unless he pays you 10 mil... which he doesn't have". The newer, less enlightened CODE members have become nothing akin to CODE's original intent (from what we can interpret).

The first step was acknowledging that CODE is irrelevant. To address some of the more volatile comments, I'll respond as thus, without my beloved RP (which I'll add in later)

1. "WE ALL WISH FOR NOTHING MORE THAT YOU CHILDREN FINALLY STEP OUT OF YOUR
IMAGINATIONLAND AND START SHOOTING US ! HUNTING US! DO SOMETHING, DAMMIT, BUT STOP SHITPOSTING !"

I'm well aware of how CODE's understanding of the game mechanics, especially as they apply to High-Security space, allows them a bit of safety. When your enemy flies in High-sec, it's not quite that easy to simply shoot at them without a wardec (unless we also want CONCORD bearing down on us). CODE uses the safety of CONCORD as much as anyone else. The key to battling against CODE is preemptive striking, using similar (yet not the same) tactics they use themselves. The goal is to fire upon (and destroy) CODE ships before they hit miners, not after. But, with the threat of CONCORD, if we simply attacked CODE we'd be playing their game, not ours. And the whole point of shutting down CODE is to stop playing their game, and bring them into ours. This has forced us to think of creative ways to use the in-game mechanics ourselves, to give us the advantage.

2. "Concord has killed more CODE. members than anyone"

This is true, and will most likely continue to be the case. But that doesn't mean that we won't be striking at them as well. The few kill board posts that CODE members will link/spam in chat and on the forums will not highlight these losses. In addition, space is quite large, and CODE is larger (and more well-funded) than we are at the moment. So, our impact may be small at the start, but with a little luck and a lot of planning, the community should see a definite shift.

3. "Oh. So five posts in and you're ready to continue doing nothing. Great."

As any Vet should attest, EVE is not a world of instant gratification. To imply that the last remnants of CODE will be swept under the rug in a matter of minutes is unreasonable. EVE isn't checkers, it's chess. Since I appreciate the desires for this situation to be dealt with overnight, feel free to message me and I'll explain how you, too, can take action and assist the cause. But, if you wish to remain out of it, I won't begrudge you that either; many people opt to turn a blind eye rather than deal with CODE.

4. "When your killboard presence exceeds that of CODE. I may consider accepting your authority in this matter. CODE. at least backs up their words with action, so if nothing else they have more credibility than you do."

While we may have not destroyed as many ships as CODE, we also have not lost as many ships. This will play an important role in the task at hand. Browsing the killboard, we have begun contacting the individuals whose ships have fallen prey to CODE, and we have made a startling discovery; many (not a majority, but enough to make a difference) of the ships lost belong to CODE alts, to hype up their scams. At first, we couldn't understand it and it didn't make sense, because who would blow up their own ships to make a point? Well... that's CODE's M.O.: blowing up their own ships to make a point.

4. "So James 315 put your house in order don't let desperation and despair taint what was eve content"

This is the core of what we believe in. At one point, even we could be supportive of what James 315 originally intended. Sadly, his vision has fallen to the wayside. If he refuses to hold his people accountable, we shall do it for him.

and finally,

5. "You are posting from an alt to avoid tainting your main. You skulk in the safety of an NPC corp, surrounded by cyno alts, new players and witless cowards."

Yes.

Saying CODE was taken down by the Goons wouldn't be a big deal.
But saying CODE was taken down by an alt, skulking in the safety of an NPC corp surrounded by cyno alts, new players, and witless cowards... THAT will be a legendary EVE story. And I'm looking forward to it.


lol oh man. wtf did i just read.

Ive had a real life break dude and enjoyed it. theres more to life then eve, dont take video games so seriously XD
Noobshot Elongur
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#83 - 2015-12-15 18:38:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Noobshot Elongur
Rest assured fellow pilots, that enterprising individuals such as myself will be more than happy to keep the markets stocked with shiny new ventures and retrievers should a rapid unscheduled deconstruction of your mining asset occurs at the hands of the space weenies know as CODE. Big smile

(There is shooting back..... and then there is making money off of them!)
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#84 - 2015-12-16 01:15:27 UTC
Noobshot Elongur wrote:
Rest assured fellow pilots, that enterprising individuals such as myself will be more than happy to keep the markets stocked with shiny new ventures and retrievers should a rapid unscheduled deconstruction of your mining asset occurs at the hands of the space weenies know as CODE. Big smile

(There is shooting back..... and then there is making money off of them!)


Sweet bro, hows that 1kisk /unit venture profit working out for ya.

@JerryTPepridge

Solecist Project
#85 - 2015-12-17 15:59:51 UTC

I feel like I should write one of my epic rallying speeches...

Kind of sad that everything's just pearls for the swine nowadays.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Noobshot Elongur
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2015-12-17 21:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Noobshot Elongur
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Noobshot Elongur wrote:
Rest assured fellow pilots, that enterprising individuals such as myself will be more than happy to keep the markets stocked with shiny new ventures and retrievers should a rapid unscheduled deconstruction of your mining asset occurs at the hands of the space weenies know as CODE. Big smile

(There is shooting back..... and then there is making money off of them!)


Sweet bro, hows that 1kisk /unit venture profit working out for ya.


Made enough ISK that I procured the BPOs of said ships, fully researched them, made copies, and brought them out to the regions where I know they like to hunt and built more....

Seriously, I lost count at 300 ventures and 60 retrievers. That was a little over 10 months ago. Don't forget the modules and the mining upgrades that they go for instead of making them a little more tanky and anti-gank.....
Dusty 3allvalve
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#87 - 2015-12-18 07:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Dusty 3allvalve
So sorry, but you're NOT gonna stop Code. The "balance" of high security systems is a power that belongs only to CCP. Logically, if they wanted to fix it, they would have.
Those who gank their way down to -10 (not a nice CONCORD friendship) know the blanket of protection every time they dock in a "HIGH SECURITY" system like a serial killer in a doughnut shop full of cops. They can and will enjoy their chosen activities in low sec as well, quite unlike so many players of a different class, or style. And if they want to repair their Concord status, they can buy that anytime, like the rest of us.
Point is, without making any assuming claims to the CCP position on the matter, this so-called "balance" is not up to us.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#88 - 2015-12-18 10:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
CODE is easy to deal with. Just fit your ships with smartbombs, and when the gankers arrive in their blaster-fitted ships, ruin their day with smarbomb-y goodness!

edit: it seems some people missed the point of this post. I'll let them figure it out.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2015-12-18 19:56:14 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CODE is easy to deal with. Just fit your ships with smartbombs, and when the gankers arrive in their blaster-fitted ships, ruin their day with smarbomb-y goodness!


Or you could just teach miners to fly a skiff with a proper tank.

Really... The gankers go only after easy targets. I complained that burn Jita was not a "kill everything that moves" but a boring "let's kille anything that nets is a profit".

Same withe code. They see a fleet with 10 skiffs in an ice belt and they will scurry somewhere else.


They are lazy and cowards. They will only kill targets worth more than what they will lose.

Not willing to man up and gank in battleships.

The ice will always flow.

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#90 - 2015-12-19 08:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Adoulin
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CODE is easy to deal with. Just fit your ships with smartbombs, and when the gankers arrive in their blaster-fitted ships, ruin their day with smarbomb-y goodness!



You are evil man.

I knew I liked you for a reason...:)

Of course, you do realize that they will have to set safety on Red to use smartys in hisec, yes?

So many....um....possibilities..:)

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Solecist Project
#91 - 2015-12-21 17:17:49 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CODE is easy to deal with. Just fit your ships with smartbombs, and when the gankers arrive in their blaster-fitted ships, ruin their day with smarbomb-y goodness!

Uhm... no, that won't work.

You won't get enough cycles off to pop them all before the target dies.
Worse... you will not reliably get all bombs to ignite at once.

Someone correct me please if this has improved yet.
Last time I read about it, disco in highsec is bugged thanks to CONCORD and heavy math.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Vanilla Mooses
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2015-12-22 06:08:39 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CODE is easy to deal with. Just fit your ships with smartbombs, and when the gankers arrive in their blaster-fitted ships, ruin their day with smarbomb-y goodness!

Uhm... no, that won't work.

You won't get enough cycles off to pop them all before the target dies.
Worse... you will not reliably get all bombs to ignite at once.

Someone correct me please if this has improved yet.
Last time I read about it, disco in highsec is bugged thanks to CONCORD and heavy math.


You are correct.

What all of these angry miners fail to realize is that the fight started long before the gankers landed on grid, and once the catalysts have landed in optimal range - the fight is already over.

Of course, this can be totally mitigated by watching local, using the directional scanner, and displaying even the faintest hint of tactical awareness, skills that the average highsec miner does not possess.
Dusty 3allvalve
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#93 - 2015-12-24 15:26:29 UTC
Vanilla Mooses wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CODE is easy to deal with. Just fit your ships with smartbombs, and when the gankers arrive in their blaster-fitted ships, ruin their day with smarbomb-y goodness!

Uhm... no, that won't work.

You won't get enough cycles off to pop them all before the target dies.
Worse... you will not reliably get all bombs to ignite at once.

Someone correct me please if this has improved yet.
Last time I read about it, disco in highsec is bugged thanks to CONCORD and heavy math.


You are correct.

What all of these angry miners fail to realize is that the fight started long before the gankers landed on grid, and once the catalysts have landed in optimal range - the fight is already over.

Of course, this can be totally mitigated by watching local, using the directional scanner, and displaying even the faintest hint of tactical awareness, skills that the average highsec miner does not possess.


Ya try that miners. D-scan the stations, the gates, the other belts, everything, over and over again. Fly away when you see the Catalysts. Pick out some more rocks, realign, and start back into your scanning. Rinse and repeat. In a couple of hours you'll have, what, a couple MM worth of ore?

Allow me to refer you back to my previous posting.
Dusty 3allvalve
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#94 - 2015-12-24 15:44:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dusty 3allvalve
And by the way, that other miner in the belt with you has probably already bookmarked the rock beside you. You won't see the Catalysts coming. It is however, funny-as-hell hearing the advice and comments of those actually hunting and killing miners. Why not "Did you know that carrying a PLEX in your cargo hold automatically doubles your shield tank?"
Vanilla Mooses
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2015-12-25 09:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanilla Mooses
Dusty 3allvalve wrote:


Ya try that miners. D-scan the stations, the gates, the other belts, everything, over and over again. Fly away when you see the Catalysts. Pick out some more rocks, realign, and start back into your scanning. Rinse and repeat. In a couple of hours you'll have, what, a couple MM worth of ore?

Allow me to refer you back to my previous posting.


And why should highsec be any different then the rest of EVE? Mining in W-Space? You're pinging that dscan every few seconds. Mining in Nullsec/Lowsec? You're watching intel channels, watching local and paying attention to what is going on around you.

Dusty 3allvalve wrote:
And by the way, that other miner in the belt with you has probably already bookmarked the rock beside you. You won't see the Catalysts coming. It is however, funny-as-hell hearing the advice and comments of those actually hunting and killing miners. Why not "Did you know that carrying a PLEX in your cargo hold automatically doubles your shield tank?"


You will if you watch local and pay attention to your directional scanner. Catalysts can't warp when cloaked, last time I checked.

The reality is simple. A majority of high-sec miners feel that they should be able to park next to the rock, push f1, and then AFK for 45 mins to do other things, maybe checking in once in a while to push F1 on another rock. If this is how they want to play EVE, they get no sympathy from me when they wake up in a station and are confused as to how they got there. It's the same in nullsec when ratting, it's the same in w-space, it's the same everywhere, if you don't pay attention to what is going on around you and actually use the tools the game gives you and wander off to watch a movie, you have a much higher chance of getting dead.

Working as intended.
Vanilla Mooses
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2015-12-25 10:26:08 UTC
Quentin Jorinson wrote:


1. "WE ALL WISH FOR NOTHING MORE THAT YOU CHILDREN FINALLY STEP OUT OF YOUR
IMAGINATIONLAND AND START SHOOTING US ! HUNTING US! DO SOMETHING, DAMMIT, BUT STOP SHITPOSTING !"

I'm well aware of how CODE's understanding of the game mechanics, especially as they apply to High-Security space, allows them a bit of safety. When your enemy flies in High-sec, it's not quite that easy to simply shoot at them without a wardec (unless we also want CONCORD bearing down on us). CODE uses the safety of CONCORD as much as anyone else. The key to battling against CODE is preemptive striking, using similar (yet not the same) tactics they use themselves. The goal is to fire upon (and destroy) CODE ships before they hit miners, not after. But, with the threat of CONCORD, if we simply attacked CODE we'd be playing their game, not ours. And the whole point of shutting down CODE is to stop playing their game, and bring them into ours. This has forced us to think of creative ways to use the in-game mechanics ourselves, to give us the advantage.



And yet here you are, still shitposting while FC's like me burn billions and billions of ISK in kills on pretty much a daily basis. We're all waiting on your "creative ways to use in-game mechanics" that don't involve shitposting.

Quentin Jorinson wrote:

2. "Concord has killed more CODE. members than anyone"

This is true, and will most likely continue to be the case. But that doesn't mean that we won't be striking at them as well. The few kill board posts that CODE members will link/spam in chat and on the forums will not highlight these losses. In addition, space is quite large, and CODE is larger (and more well-funded) than we are at the moment. So, our impact may be small at the start, but with a little luck and a lot of planning, the community should see a definite shift.


Good luck with that, rebel leader #4394. You might want to give yourself a sanity check when it comes to the concept of "shooting at ships that are already criminal flagged and being shot at by concord after they killed their target", but enjoy building that elite killboard that no one cares about a few million ISK at a time by whoring on CONCORD killmails. That'll teach me!

Quentin Jorinson wrote:

3. "Oh. So five posts in and you're ready to continue doing nothing. Great."

As any Vet should attest, EVE is not a world of instant gratification.


Seems to go against your OP. First, the New Order has been overturned and is meaningless. Next, you're going to need "a little luck and a lot of planning" and now you are explaining how your amazing plans are going to take a really long time. Your narrative is getting a bit disjointed ;(


Quentin Jorinson wrote:

Browsing the killboard, we have begun contacting the individuals whose ships have fallen prey to CODE, and we have made a startling discovery; many (not a majority, but enough to make a difference) of the ships lost belong to CODE alts, to hype up their scams.


This is hilarious. I like to think of myself as doing quite well when it comes to internet spaceship money (I usually have somewhere around 50 billion in liquid, a bunch of nice ships, and a stockpile of PLEX) but in order to "hype my own scam" I would need to destroy about 1.6 Trillion worth of my own stuff in order to roll that way. Heads up, Quentin - there's no need to explode my own stuff, there's a endless supply of AFK idiot-fit ships out there for that purpose.

Quentin Jorinson wrote:

4. "So James 315 put your house in order don't let desperation and despair taint what was eve content"

This is the core of what we believe in. At one point, even we could be supportive of what James 315 originally intended. Sadly, his vision has fallen to the wayside. If he refuses to hold his people accountable, we shall do it for him.


This is a common theme from the next rebel leader, the whole "We like the New Order but don't like it anymore and it's not what James 315 really wants!". Read his blog. He's quite happy with how things are going. And this also goes back to your earlier points, you're still shitposting vs. "holding his people accountable". We're waiting. Come at us.

and finally,

"ODE was taken down by the Goons wouldn't be a big deal.
But saying CODE was taken down by an alt, skulking in the safety of an NPC corp surrounded by cyno alts, new players, and witless cowards... THAT will be a legendary EVE story. And I'm looking forward to it." (manually quoting you as this forum only allows 5 quote tags for some reason)


Such e-honor! Very cyber-bushido! Also a nice way to set up the usual rebel leader theme of moving goalposts. It always starts very large "We will destroy the New Order!" and then becomes "Well, we need a little luck and a lot of time and more people, but we're really doing something!", next up comes the tearful "But it's not fair and we need CCP to change the rules" and ends with the brave rebel leader realizing that trying to "protect" clueless AFK bot-aspirants from themselves is about as exciting as sitting in a station and ship spinning. And when it ends with you sitting a NPC corp, still shitposting - well, that was the plan from the word go, right?

If you really want to stop the New Order, simply do your part and make sure all residents of highsec hold a proper permit and obey the law. Those of us who enforce the law do not enjoy violence but sometimes drastic measures are required when dealing with criminals. We have to keep highsec safe and make it a great place for everyone!
Vanilla Mooses
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2015-12-25 10:36:50 UTC
Noobshot Elongur wrote:


Seriously, I lost count at 300 ventures and 60 retrievers. That was a little over 10 months ago. Don't forget the modules and the mining upgrades that they go for instead of making them a little more tanky and anti-gank.....


My god, 300 ventures and 60 retrievers and some mining modules? You must be looking at profits exceeding fifty million ISK!

<3
Noobshot Elongur
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2015-12-26 06:36:55 UTC
Vanilla Mooses wrote:
Noobshot Elongur wrote:


Seriously, I lost count at 300 ventures and 60 retrievers. That was a little over 10 months ago. Don't forget the modules and the mining upgrades that they go for instead of making them a little more tanky and anti-gank.....


My god, 300 ventures and 60 retrievers and some mining modules? You must be looking at profits exceeding fifty million ISK!

<3


Add another zero to the right side of that guess and you might get close. I don't build them one at a time and I do tend to jack up the price. Greed is good.


Vanilla Mooses
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2015-12-26 07:03:36 UTC
Noobshot Elongur wrote:
Vanilla Mooses wrote:
Noobshot Elongur wrote:


Seriously, I lost count at 300 ventures and 60 retrievers. That was a little over 10 months ago. Don't forget the modules and the mining upgrades that they go for instead of making them a little more tanky and anti-gank.....


My god, 300 ventures and 60 retrievers and some mining modules? You must be looking at profits exceeding fifty million ISK!

<3


Add another zero to the right side of that guess and you might get close. I don't build them one at a time and I do tend to jack up the price. Greed is good.




Five hundred whole million? I was not aware riches of this level even existed in EVE online, and that it only took a little over ten months to accomplish that. :-)
Saskia Laru
Saskia Laru Trading Corporation
#100 - 2015-12-26 08:21:46 UTC
The OP has joined Doomheim. Thus ends another would be rebel leader.
Maybe they should wait until they get some success in their endeavors before they post their manifesto in C&P... might be worth looking at then. Roll