Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While Joe's idea is quite good in my opinion, I also wouldn't mind seeing, in lieu of or addition to that, a mechanic where the person being war decced can counter 'bribe' CONCORD for their continued protection.

Again this can go back and forth between the two entities, with the highest bidder winning.

I believe in order for this to work, both sides would ultimately need to fork over the ISK (even the losing side). Otherwise it would become a way to drain a corp of ISK (if they choose to pay it) by a thousand stings. If the Deccing side is going to still lose their ISK and ultimately not get the easy targets they desire, they will be less inclined to continue trying to Dec a corp.

War should be expensive. And if you REALLY want it bad enough, you'll pay through the nose for it.

This allows industrial corps to fight back with their expertise, making ISK.

And this ultimately becomes a big ISK sink. If an industrial corp wants to stay out of combat, they will pay the ISK to do so.

Pretty much.. Though, this guy was dumb enough to form his own solo corp and dec us as well.
Tried to say he would end his war if we let him back in.
Instead, we baited him a few times and popped him..
He wasn't the brightest crown in the box, but the fact that he could fund everything he did with his personal bank account was extremely annoying.

Soo, I guess for him it was kinda pay to lose, while paying to win, through not losing???

It's complicated

Why? because you dont like it?

The defending corp can already fight back using their isk making expertise. Hire a merc corp. Far better that way than to just deny any content happening at all.

If i dont like you running missions or mining can we have a bidding war too so you cannot talk to any agents or activate any mining lasers? Or would it be more interesting if i pay someone to turn up in your system and fight you for it?

There are already big conglomerates rife w/ bad docking ring hero pilots, so that part doesn't even make sense.

It would only cripple small and solo operations that were bad at eve. The proof is that any small group can make insane profits suicide ganking, so the cost of a war dec would have to measure in the billions to make it an isk losing proposition. Small skilled groups will always be effective - my corp is an example - The last wardec corp that engaged us (though they were cool guys and we had fun - thanks!) didn't do well at all. Are you suggesting you feel the need for a 'free pass' for small and solo groups that are bad at eve and bad at HS pvp (this brings into questions both your personal motives AND abilities).


Your no answer is baseless and borderline cowardly. I find your credibility lacking.

The 15 pages of this topic, including my own comments are a sad testimony to just how broken the war dec mechanic truly is. And I hope CCP is reading this and studies the responses and the logic (or lack thereof depending on point of view) behind them and uses that to try and re-work the system so it is more balanced and works better for everyone.

I mean, are you serious here?

You claim "I want pvp", and yet you argue for allowing carebears to farm their way out of a war instead of actually fighting?

No one believes that obvious lie.

That!

Or you know,

Maybe both sides have more than vocal defenders of said topic and like their voice to be heard even if it means repeating themselves for the thousandth time. Not saying that it's wrong, if people didn't defend their idea's this world would suck.

Regardlessm

Like every other thread on war, ganking and the ilk,

1 "I THINK X IS WRONG"


2 "NO YOU ARE INCORRECT"
3 "NO 2 YOU ARE WRONG HERE'S WHY"
2 "3 YOU DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT THIS AND YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO DEFEND YOUR STYLE OF GAMEPLAY"
3 "2 YOU ARE DO THE SAME THING AND I AM THINK ABOUT THE BENEFITS/CONS OF DOING X"
2 "Well you're completely wrong."
3 "No u"
2 "No you!"
3 " Yeah well you're stupid"
2" No your stupid!"

Then 1 finally chimes in, about twelve or so pages.

"Omg wut I started? o.o"


It's literally how it goes everytimes for these. And X can be anything from Corp dropping to avoid wardecs to Wardecs themselves it's always the same dance over the same dead horse. If CCP felt that Wars are a problem they would remove them, like AWOXing.

Why?

...isnt that penalizing for a dedicated ganking char.

But being forced to fly around in small disposable ships and never mission or mine again unless you grind hard in low sec is a game crippling penalty for anyone not dedicated to ganking (which used to be a thing before it was nerfed to buggery).

You realise you also suffer the security status penalty for shooting people in low. instantly going -10 means no non-dedicated ganking char is going to pod someone, even if they REALLY deserve it. I really dont understand how thats supposed to be a good thing, especially when the idea is spawned from the typical knee jerk 'i dont like ganking. ruin it for everyone cause im bad at eve' brain fart.

If anything, ganking should be buffed. Its the only reason to actually think when you're playing in hi-sec. The only reason to weigh the benefits of tank vs speed vs capacity when you haul. The only reason to pay attention when you mine. The only reason to not bling your mission boat to ridiculous levels.

And its the same for war decs and corps. The challenges war deccing brings(/brought) are the only reasons to give a damn about who is in your corp and what they can do. They're the only reasons to manage your corp and care for your members. The only reason to teach them how to defend themselves. The only reason to work together.

Its nerfing is the reason **** all happens in hi-sec anymore and how so many players are able to 'level up their raven' and leave with barely any interaction with other players good or bad.

I don't think this will ever happen. Because, if I recall correctly, the sec status hit is tied to the trigger for gate guns. Remove that and you might as well remove them.