EVE General Discussion

WiS would have been a completely new game, which was necessary to expand the game and bypass the complexity creep of spaceships content. Now the complexity creep has become a battle cry for development in the 2013-2016 cycle and probably beyond that point. It's like embracing a benign tumour as a new way of living your life...

What I want is a slice of that complexity creep, and the larger the better.

*wrings hands with glee*

It's threads like these that keep me coming back to GD.

Where people fall all over themselves to defend a product because they feel like it's part of their lifestyle (kind of like Apple products).

The fact of matter is that most people that try EVE give up on it. Those who remain are sado-masochists.

I firmly believe the gratest service you could do is shut this game down.

I will agree wholeheartedly with these people who say "change in EVE, not in muh game!"

See CPP has figured they should do better things with their time like Valkyrie, which I agree.

That game is targeted to mass markets and will be wildly successful.

Eventually EVE will be the unwanted step child of the company.

They'll toss around new ideas but the player base will say no. Plex will keep rising and many free loaders will be forced to give up their game.

Actually at this point I do not know where I am going with this.

Basically I am saying the ultimate gank will be when the servers will be shut down.

It might take a while, but it would be worth it.

The purpose of that suggestion is to improve the retention of PvE players by allowing them to generate content and have better options against PvP players. Of course it is complex in its depth, but it would be quite transparent for new players. Easy to learn, hard to master:

"Fly a mission and befriend a NPC for rewards. Missions are never the same because they are generated based on what other players do. Your NPC can defend you from NPCs controlled by other players and (to some extent) from human players. Conversely you can use your NPC to attack NPCs controlled by other players, and to some extent, attack human players. Different NPCs have different attacks and defenses. NPCs are tiered in ranks and there is a chance that controlling enough NPCs in a lower rank gives you access to a higher rank NPC. Top tier NPCs are lore NPCs with massive power, controlled and played by GMs. If you play your cards well, you could propose laws, overthrow a minister or elect a President and leave your permanent mark in EVE lore. But beware: Other players will be doing exactly the same"



That could be added as an evolution of anomalies. Yet from my experience and the feedback to Sugar Kyle's questions to the PvE community, removing old content (missions) is a NO-NO. Whatever is done to PvE, must be added without removing the current content.

We don't say no to new ideas, just the stupid ones. You might notice no one's really complaining about Frostline, or Citadels, or killmarks and updated meshes and shield effects. Dumbing down the game? Stupid idea. Making it more appealing for casuals at the expense of existing gameplay and options for hobbyists, as well as the nature and flavour of the game as it has had since its inception? Stupid idea. These are things that make EVE not EVE anymore. It'd be like putting the Millennium Falcon into a Star Trek movie.



I had a feeling you forgot to rehearse this speech.



Of course they will, eventually. But EVE will never die. All the stories and experiences of the players that did stick around, they'll live on forever. Hell, they're making a television show about this game based on the stories of the players. That's how successful this game is. This game also gets the attention of academics and media all around the world for its incredibly dynamic social complex, and there is literally nothing else like it in existence because of that dynamic alone.

Will it be worth it? Worth is a subjective value, so it'll depend on who you ask. You seem to have your issues with it, that's fine, but there's a big difference between you not liking something, and its actual demonstrable quality. I hate Ferrari, for example, but they are, demonstrably, exceptional cars.

This could count as a negative review, but it's just so funny at the same time.

https://youtu.be/US92PR1tI1o

I like how people say "we" as if there is some glorious consensus.

We must stand united against the reactionaries least they ruin "our" vision.

Also I am only subbed because of free game time. I do this maybe one every six months and then leave.

The train wreck of the forums is my sole entertainment.

All this cognitive dissonance and groupthink. To be riled up about what mainstream gaming thinks of them.

Also toxicity.

My time is almost up so you won't see me again for a while.

And yet here YOU still are. Your presence means you gave CCP money in one way or another. You don't much like the game, you hate the community, you don't seem to care much for the developers....

...But not only are you here, you came back. Those of us who like and fit in with the game aren't masochists, it's not painful for us, not in the least. But it's painful for you as evidenced by your own posts. On a forum that you enable by giving CCP some form of payment...

I will always find people like you fascinating, viewing something as a bad thing while at the same time doing something worse than the bad thing being criticized lol.

just because of the forums mind!

Because these are such a trainwreck that a masochist simply can't resist.

The only way to avoid "I R stupid and died, what a **** game" reviews is by being upfront and honest about the game you're trying to market. If you state it to be harsh and unforgiving then bears will avoid it more and people who might be "eve material" will read that info, then read the "I'm dumb" reviews and make the connection.

The current raging of bears about the game not being bearish enough is the direct result of CCP's desire to attract more people.

It's strange that Eve still wants promotes the game as the only place to have massive player versus player battles. If anyone knows anything about engagement they should know that it's the small groups that provide the most engagement. This is supported by lots of research so the recent sov changes, the new logi ships and new logi mechanics resulting in notthing but Logi+1 makes it hard to understand the direction of the game.

If we had confidence that the game developers aren't just screwing mechanics up for "meh" and it was actually based on sound theory then perhaps the negativity wouldn't be as strong as it is.

I've always said force projection needed to happen but I also think punishing gamers for travelling was the wrong thing to do. I've said many times the cyno mechanic should really have been revolutionized into a interesting gameplay. I don't get why Jump bridges deal the same punishment also, there is always another way to control force projection and make it flexible enough for the gamers and these changes just felt like the easy route.

I've said many times EWAR just makes this game boring, dull and predictable and it makes people risk averse. This coupled with an outdated ship fitting service contributes to Eve livin up to "Spreadsheet online". This is another part of the game that could be revolutionized.

I've also pointed out null sec isn't the struggle so many null sec dweebs lead you to believe and thats the main cause for many of the null sec vs high sec arguments. For the most part the most interesting place to play, due to the amount of players available to interact with in the sandbox is high sec. When you see null sec is based on massive HP structures and consider "the n-effect" you can see why null sec is stagnant.

Most good businesses know it is much cheaper to keep loyal customers, I have a feeling that's wheat they were hoping to achieve with the Greed is good article a few years back (test the water to see how people would react to a massive game change); Once the community spoke CCP needed a new strategy meaning a concentration on affordable pvp.


Anyway my thoughts on the challenges of Eve.