EVE General Discussion

In the Matrix movies uploading a new skill takes seconds, not the entire movie. The skill queue has nothing to do with attention span whatsoever. Or are you telling me that you are actually watching the seconds tick by, attentively? Yes, I do have better things to do with my life (and my attention span) than staring at a timer...


Well, I am a genuinely new player and this is the first character I've ever made in EVE. I'm glad I made your day.

There's something weird about the fixation with corps in EVE. I had a real fun time once with a pretty tough security story mission that I got after running lots of Level 4 transport for SoE. The NPCs blew my ship to pieces, so I started asking on local if someone wanted to help. I found two nice people, and we spent the next hour or so with that mission (me mostly running away, dragging the NPCs around, them shooting them).

However, that sort of spontaneous grouping up is not common, and you pretty much have to ask patiently on local to get it going (being the only one who breaks radio silence, usually). It would be really nice if there was some social hang out place where one could just spontaneously join up with people to do stuff. And I feel that that would be the best way to "prove yourself".

Sure we can. 30,000 players @ $14.95USD p/m = $478,500USD p/m.


What is it you actually want? For day-old players to be able to hold their own against 4+ year vets? To build & fly Capitals after just a quick tutorial?


Completely contradicted yourself there and didn't even realise it. Experience determines your lot in EVE much more than SP does. A newbie flying a Rifter will lose to a vet flying a Rifter due to an experience gap, not an SP gap. Conversely, there are plenty of low-SP pilots who have podded high-SP pilots. Experience and personal ability play the biggest role in EVE, not SP.

Your whole argument gives off seriously salty newbie vibes, and I say that as a relative newbie myself (just past the first 6 months). I'm still sh*t at combat and spend most of my time mission running, mining, market trading and RPing. You can have a great time with low SP.

Why don't you join a corp that will teach you solo PVP, help with some good fits, then kit yourself out with a ship and go shoot someone? I guarantee you'll learn more and have a better time there than complaining on the forums.

New players already get 400k SP ... What's next, a fully equipped catalyst with T2 stuff and the skills to match, on day 1?

I'm not really interested in flying capitals, I wouldn't know what to do with them. I have trained into exploration and cov ops. Well, I think one day, how about running some of those combat sites that I scan down all the time, or engaging some of those explorers competing with me for sites? Sure, get an Astero then. Training time needed to get a reasonable fit for that? A month or so. Or maybe I should do a Wingspan and go stealth bomber hunting? Sure, no problem. It's merely a month or two of training time until you can fly a decent fit for that. Or maybe I should try mission running in a drone boat? Well, hey, no problem, training up drone skills to a decent level just takes a month or two. Or some risky but profitable mining? Take a Prospect or Procurer then, after a couple of months of training to make that viable and profitable. And so on...

Yes, I guess you don't need to minmax. And if you are an experienced veteran, then quite possibly you can still make a good profit or win some fights or whatever, even with a low SP alt in a simple ship. But as a newbie, flying the right ship with a good fit actually can make the difference between losing your ship or not, or raking in the ISK or not.


In reality, the newbie will lose due to both. It is true that an experienced player can punch above his (ship & fit) weight. That does not mean that a newbie can. And it generally will be the veteran who has the SP bonuses and the bling fit on his side. Not all Rifters are created equal.


Sure. I pulled 100M exploration loot out of a single wormhole yesterday. (*) That was great. It doesn't change though that if you want to try out different things in EVE, and are a careful kind of player (as I am), then it takes you month of training at least whenever you want to try something new. My training queue is currently just shy of 120 days. I find that fairly absurd, to be honest.

(*) Oh, and case in point - I doubt I could have pulled that off without having my data/relic hacking skills maxed out. I'm quite good at the mini game, but the bonus strength sure as heck helps.


I naively joined a small corp a few weeks into the game. Let's just say that did not last long and I intend to make a better choice the second time around. I don't think that I want to train for solo PVP, really. Small to medium size fleets is probably more my thing, or sneaky stuff. And I don't actually spend much time on these forums...

I generally stay away from general discussion conversations, regardless of topic. I'm a natural lurker. This conversation is particularly civil up to now so I'll chime in.

I am part of a wormhole alliance. We have brought in new characters before. They have contributed in all facets. It's true that they don't fly carriers or T3 cruisers in combat, but there are plenty of relevant and able ships that they can fly quite early in their career that contribute. We provide most of the ships, fittings, training, advice, and commiserate with them when something goes sideways. With the advent of T3 destroyers, we're starting to use them more and more and use the T3 cruisers less and less which makes our content even more approachable to new players as the training for them is much abbreviated.

We get very few new characters (though we don't advertise that much.)

If any new people want to come fly in wormhole space, contact me in game. We'll invite you onto our TeamSpeak server and talk to you. If you appear to be a good fit, we'll figure out a way to help you. While we don't have the absolute MOST newbie centric wormhole, our home is relatively easy for new players to play in.

Every game has a power curve where a new player is unlocking abilities and content. Eve's content is unlocked virtually immediately as are most of the role based abilities. Accessing the advanced equipment and ships subsequently can take a while, but you can absolutely contribute to a corp or alliance immediately. You must be willing to do so.

Eve is very complex and navigating those complexities as a new player is intimidating- I completely understand that. However, there are people out there prepared to help. It requires that the new players be willing to listen, be willing to learn, and be willing to occasionally lose in the process of figuring out how to win. We all did this. Unfortunately, one thing that eve isn't, is a solo game. I think it's even less so as a new player.

For those of you new players wanting to learn the game, be part of a team, and play in what I consider the most fun part of Eve, drop me a note in game. Playing with us in W-space means playing as part of a team and being wiling to learn. It means being willing to risk, being willing to do some of the scut work of scanning (which we ALL do) and it may mean that sometimes, you'll have to find your way to K-Space to find something to do. It means jumping into null to play with the guys there, fighting over junk in low sec on occasion, and it means spending 90% of your time in a ship in space doing things. It does NOT mean incredible isk per hour contrary to many of the opinions out there.

Regards,
Fionna

If CCP is smart enough to ignore the sulking bittervets and introduces skill packets sometime next spring, then my main issue with the game will have been resolved (or at least much ameliorated). I think I can wait that long. But your kind and compassionate advice is much appreciated nevertheless.

Assuming you'll still be playing by then ...

I have no issue with boosting sp for new chars .....eve can be boring at low sp and I look back at the waiting to train something moments just so I can join in as boring and not epic eve moments

Tippia... shouldn't you update your skill plan?
Nowadays new players get a lot of skills that save them quite a bit of time ...

And the "doing it in game" can be gamed. Get alt, get main log on both. Have main warp scramble alt who is sitting still, go AFK. Comeback 20 hours later, max skill. Rinse and repeat for as many skills as you like.

Only place it cannot be gamed is in trading, manufacturing, research, etc. So unless you do lots of practice runs, which given the market will cost you ISK, you just handed me more market power...hello higher prices and more of your ISK flowing into my wallets.

BTW, if you really do want to "catch up" to players with 100 million plus SP, I suggest you also buy a RL 1600mm rolled tungsten plate for your ass...you'll need it with as much time you'll be spending playing the game.