Player Features and Ideas Discussion

By making it work like a projected effect?

However in order to create the least issues, what should happen is based on the boosters safety.
Booster safety green, if remote assisting the target would cause a flag, then the target doesn't get the boosts. This allows the booster to keep boosting the rest of the fleet at least.
Booster yellow. If it would make them criminal, target doesn't get boosts, if it would make them suspect, booster goes suspect.
Booster red. Booster gets whatever flag.

Otherwise it becomes insanely easy to screw a fleet over if it stops all boosts. And insanely hard for the booster if they have to go red safety in highsec because of AOE.
Flags matter in lowsec too also, since it affects gate guns and also flying into highsec after a lowsec fight. Plenty of people have exploded from going criminal in lowsec then entering highsec and getting Condokkened.

S.M., I don't think they do know how ridiculous that sounds. I think you should elaborate.

The premise of your argument is that there are XYZ simple things to do to counter off grid boosting. None of them are simple and none of them are effective if the off grid boosting pilot isn't afk.

For the station humper, you just find a nice comfy spot on the far side of the station, under it, above it - any where but the undock. If a ship appears that you consider a risk you click the dock button and poof your are safe. If i combat scan your perch, you see the probes on dscan and again click one button and dock. The jump destroyers??? Puh lease - the spool up time is a lot longer than it takes to click the dock button. So your station humper is 1 click away from safety where all of your proposed valid counters take a much longer time to execute - making them ineffective. The only times these 'counters' are effective are when bad piloting is involved on the part of the station hugging booster. So - station humping boosters are safe unless they are bad at eve. You're providing inane justification not actual viable counters. Everyone that graduated from the 8th grade understands that plausible isn't the same thing as viable. Quit pushing garbage with the illusion that we're accepting it.

For the deep safe off grid booster - the same logic applies. Except that I have to use combats and instead of 1 click docking you have the 1 click cloak option (i'll assume you're smart enough to be moving while you're boosting, so I'll land where you were when I got the 100% hit with combats) or you can simply warp away when I land on grid with you. It's pretty easy to make an off grid boosting ship that can outrun cloaked ships, so you get the bonuns time from when I uncloak and make my run at you. Again, my success depends totally on your bad piloting.

In both cases successfully dispatching an off grid booster depends soley on you being bad and my skill has nothing to do with it. In short - your counters aren't counters - they are garbage. In summary - the reason folks dislike off grid boosting is because all counters rely on the bad piloting of the booster (and I've shown above that by bad - I mean really really bad) and are not influenced by the skill, experience or actions of the pilot trying to dispatch the booster.

You're defending a garbage playstyle. You defense is horrible because it's a garbage playstyle.

I don't recall..... how did that end??

"Bring combat probes" Is a poor argument against OGB. If combat probes were really that effective, do you think we would be complaining about off grid boosting? There is one thing you can always count on EVE players to do, easy and effective solutions. If a player can do something very easily and for a large benefit to themselves for minor risk, they do it. E.G. garage door cyno, skynet, neutral logi in highsec, inflated killrights, isoboxer, suicide ganking, ninja looting/salvaging, and more. Some of these have been changed, others haven't.

"Bring combat probes" isn't a good argument for a solo player. In essence, you need three accounts to be competitive as a solo player. Your combat pilot. Your own off grid links. And a combat probing alt.

"Bring combat probes" isn't a good argument for a small gang either. You force one member of the fleet to fit a 220 CPU high slot item or to bring a non combat ship along. T3D being the sole exception. In a cruiser gang, there aren't a lot of high slots you can spare. If combat probes were really effective, everyone would carry them as they would guarantee kills.

The reason most T3 boosters die is not because of incompetence. I'd argue that the reason they die is that the extra few seconds of links being up are more important than cloaking or warping off. Do you really want to be the booster that has to warp off when the fleet fight is on a knife's edge? If you warp, your logi can't keep up and your fleet collapses. If you warp, your logi are jammed. If you warp, your tacklers lose point. Off grid, deep safes are to delay the inevitable.

Bifrost in Squad command. Bifrost in Wing command. Bifrost in Fleet command. Three links running; kite as per usual.

It's almost like they want link ships to be an actively piloted vessel! One that isn't afk watching d-scan. No, that wouldn't make sense, why would CCP want players to be actively at their screen when doing pvp???????????

To be perfectly honest, flying a linked ship on grid sounds perfect to me. Dodging screaming projectile rounds and missile volleys to land with my fleet when they need me and bounce to safety when there is a lull. Almost like the bannermen of old. Riding into combat on a horse with nothing more than a flag in your hand.

I haven't experimented yet, but if a link ship only has 2 instead of 6 links going.... It might be possible to fit a few weapons and perhaps some tank. Has anyone tried to fit out a command ship that didn't have 6 links in the highs and all cpu IIs in the lows? Would it be possible?

First you need to fit tank to survive on grid, even if you are 2000km from everyone, (probably not). Then you need a prop mod.

Shield tanked ships get less space for command processors but enough lows to fit all the cpu they need. Armor ships can fit processors but lose out on CPU.

Only the command ships have any chance at hitting 6 links when adding a tank. Any guns would be used to whore with, I think, as your low slots are filled with tank/CPU mods to get one more link.