EVE General Discussion

By “a year”, you mean “not even a month.” Note the lack of question mark to indicate irony or rhetorics.

So yes, the SP and the knowledge requirements are pretty much in synch if it takes a few weeks to learn the mechanics. Of course, your assertion on this point should be taken with a small freight container of salt since…

…says the guy who doesn't know how the production skills work. How about you actually learn about the game before trying to comment on it and exposing the vast yawning chasm of your ignorance?

Or would you like to try again and be wrong about that too?

Simple facts:

- any new week old character can buy a character that can fly a Titan
- in theory any week old character could buy a Titan

You then have an issue of what to do with a character and ship that is missing the alliance needed to support it with a player that has no idea what to do with it.

But that's not what the OP wants.

He wants to grind for a couple of days after subscribing for the first time and for that 1 month subscription cost, max level his character to fly a Titan with near no effort.

Of course, if CCP don't change the game to be just like he thinks it should, then Eve is going to die, because after 13 years of success so far, only the OP knows what CCP has to do to ensure continued success.

*shrugs* I'll try it for six months and see for myself but based on the various posts in the forums I still think the SP system is a harmful form of slowing growth in a game. I would of much prefered a UO style where I leveled skills by actually doing them vs a simple timecap. Alas it is what is and I do admit Eve has a certain charm to it. Just wish some of the Vets on the forums were less assholish but you get folks like that in every medium.

Again: it has been tried. It proved to be disastrous and horrible in terms of how it affected gameplay, not to mention impossible to implement in a consistent manner since lots of skills aren't “used” in any way that can be measured and rewarded.

It was removed from the game in very short order because of how bad an idea it was.

I have an obligation as an acolyte of the cult of :10bux: to be a good poster.


Edit:

Also consider your UO comparison. You do a thing over and over again until the skill level goes up to 100. This takes a certain amount of time. Say 20 hours.

If you do it for 10 hours a day, you'll get there in 2 days. Someone who does it for an hour a day gets there in 20 days. That was the kind of game UO was.


In EVE, you queue up a skill that takes 20 days to finish. You queue it up, and then you spend the 20 days it takes hanging out with friends, making isk, shooting nerds out of the sky in fleets, arguing about fits with people on the forums, strategizing how to deal with that jerk who keeps hanging around waiting for you to undock your ratting ship and kill you... again. Then after 20 days you've got the skill.

As someone who also did the mandatory WOW stint, passive skill gain was jarring until I realized that to "advance" all I had to do was sit back and wait. I could spend my actual active time hanging out with my friends or getting ISK so I could actually afford the ships I was going to unlock in however long it took to unlock.

Its great. It means if I don't have a lot of free time I just queue up stuff and come back when its ready, or if I do have free time I spend it doing whatever amuses me rather than grinding to get somewhere.

It was even better once I realized that the difference between 4 and 5 in a skill rarely mattered (the number of friends you brought with you generally matters way more in a fight), and that there is a finite amount of SP that can be poured into any given ship, so that a 10 year old player in an incursus or whatever doesn't have an inherent advantage over me in SP terms in that same ship.

the reason i am here is because EvE doesn't have grinding. i don't hate grinding, im used to it actually, but now, with real life obligations im lucky if i could play 2hrs straight peacefully (without wife talking/asking me about something).

i still play other MMOs with grinding like TSW (my alt), and honestly, i wish that they follow the EvE system, that i still level up even if i am not playing.

I was in a faction warfare corp at 900k sp, get some experience in lowsec before trying to hit null, as mentioned experience is better than sp and if you have some pvp experience then im pretty sure you wont have a problem finding a good corp in nullsec, however nullsec you are better having atleast an interceptor trained.

what do you expect, to just join the game and be accepted into some leet nullsec pvp corp without any sort of experience in pvp?

you get the skill, you inject it, then it takes time to train/absorb the info. Exactly he same thing, one is just faster than the other because one is a 90 min movie and the other is a long term MMO. If you lack the attention span for a long term MMO then don't play it.

In my opinion, that would be a nightmare:

1. How many skills did UO have? Typical pilot has 180-200 different skills here.

2. This is a PVP environment; you won't easily find someone willing to sit there and take the damage or jamming or whatever, for you to train your skills by "practicing."

3. I have about 100m points, 200 skills trained to 4, some to 5. You're proposing CCP change the system, so you can grind practice skills and catch up to me... do you realize how much effort that will be for you?

4. Being forced to repeat actions over and over to "train" is boring, and most people will resort to bots to do it, and get banned. Can't talk about bots on the forums, but CCP has published some stats about how many people they're banning periodically because they try to bot the boring repetitive activities (mining, for example).