EVE General Discussion

Some of them might even be true. We like to perpetuate the idea of being the villain. Its a huge amount of fun.

We make no bones about being horrible to those who aren't on the inside. We'll steal enemy space, infiltrate and spy on corps, pull their space entrails from their bodies and wear their skins like a suit but when you are one of us, you are invited to sit at the head table of the monster's ball and taste the gooey brains of our defeated enemies. If CCP implement the skill packet system, we'll be able to do that in a literal sense.

So yeah, some of those things said about us are true. However, anyone with an ounce of honesty in them when they start spraying spittle and hate about us will at least grudgingly concede that we invest in newbies.

Yeah, it's tough for new players to catch up. It's supposed to be. Deal with it.

Quite the opposite: there is no glass ceiling — getting to the top is inevitable. This, along with the lack of level grinding, is what people like.

I threaten their view of what they feel Eve should be? I guess that make sense. Oh well either CCP will try to adjust to entice new people to play or Eve will shrink with games like Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen beginning to get big.

Oh dear. Does anyone know a good surgeon? I need my sides stitched back together.

Incidentally, you know this option exists already right?


Get yourself into a basic Highsec Incursion Logi ship and poopsock your way to billions. If that doesn't appeal, join Karmafleet, do a strat op or two per month and spend the rest of the time ratting. Don't want to do null and don't want to work with other people? Fine; run missions in highsec and learn to do them efficiently. Still not satisfied? Station trade or seed markets for cash. Feeling a little shady? Scam some people! Break into a corporation and steal everything not nailed down! Whatever floats your boat! Once you've got a fat wad of cash, make your way to the character bazaar on the forums and get a character with 50 million SP (or whatever minimum amount YOU deem is an acceptable amount).

Congratulations, you've just grinded your way to the "top."


Then what? You'll be able to sit in more ships. Great! Pity you won't know how to use any of them properly, and you'll probably discover that without your own goals for yourself, you'll quickly get bored and quit. You'll also probably discover that the journey was more fun than the destination (assuming you took the smart option of working with and learning from other people, or otherwise being clever about getting the ISK required in the first place).

The things you need most in EVE are; friends, and a goal to work towards and a rival to compete with. That's what makes EVE fun.

I can answer that.

What your people are doing is grinding for self esteem.
Then, when they all have equally long schlongs (reached max level) ...
... they can fight "fair fights" to determine who is the more skilled one.


That's all there is to it. Of course we have schlongs in EVE as well ...
... but our game isn't made to cater to them.


Our game doesn't manipulate people into a contest about the size of our ego/schlong/wallet.



Your games do.

Joining a corp and doing big stuff sounds the most appealing to me. I'll prb end up trying to join you folks or the other folks mentioned.

Let me explain, for the new people that think they know better, why skill progression takes the time it does. There are two big reasons, and they are not mutually exclusive.

The first is to try to balance what you can access in game with what you've learned to do in the game. For example, but the time you've skilled for a Taranis, it should be because you've enjoyed flying tackle in an Atron and want to up your game. Want to train into battleships? By then you should have learned at least some basics to fitting and fleet combat, if you've been working with other people (which is what this game intends). Decided you like flying armour reps in an Augoror and want to step up into a Guardian? Then you should already know how to set up cap chains and maintain a cohesive anchor point and target priority system for your logistics wing, maybe even manage and lead your own logistics wing. In simpler terms, you should already know how to use what you're training for before you've even trained for it. Despite popular opinion, you don't really need to get all level five skills for capitals and various other ships to 'fly them effectively'. Flying effectively is all about your own attitude, and your own wits, not skill points.

The other big reason, which ties in with the first by virtue of being a time sink, is CCP want subscribers. They want people to stick around. There has to be some degree of commitment shown by players, and this is a way of getting it. And don't look so bemoaned about 'underhanded business tactics' - every subscription game has time sinks for the same reason. What do you think cooldowns are for in games like SWTOR? Players who have a legitimate interest in the game will get past the time sinks, subscribe anyway, and earn their place in the community, while the impatient and less interested folk will head on back to whatever shiny thing catches their attention next. They were never going to subscribe anyway, and subscription game developers don't particularly want them around in the first place because they fuzzy up the data. Casuals are also part of the reason so many developers no longer listen to players and prefer to defer to data.

You really need to understand why skill training is the way it is before you suggest changes to it, because any changes you suggest have to satisfy the criteria that establish why the system exists the way it does in the first place. So please, explain to us how three years of training crammed into only one satisfies player commitment via time sinks, and we can start considering the suggestion worthwhile, because like it or not, the first criteria required for this game to survive is CCP has to be able to fund it, which means it needs to make money. Given that enough players stick around for the existing system for CCP to do exactly that, make money, I'm just not seeing how your suggestion is an improvement to the game as a whole. Your idea is nothing more than the illusion of an improvement to a select few individuals who don't understand how the game works in the first place, and if and when they do learn how it works, they'll finally understand how accelerated skill training did nothing for them.

Yeah fine, you are the saviour of Eve, and if we all adopt your ideas then we will not drown in popularity of Star Citizen - based on a very limited game, and heading the way of many other kickstarter hyped games - it'll turn up when interest has waned

You don't threaten anyone...

You have picked up a meme, that has been around for years - the open coms podcast was suggesting your exact idea 2 weeks ago - and now having failed to make a case for your 'idea', you have resorted to passive aggressive, woe is me, Joan of arc tactics.

Skill points are what they are... you can have ten of them, you can have 10billion.... they have precisely nothing to do with why you can or can't progress in the game... and until new players realise this, all speeding up their acquisition will do is to give them an excuse for why they failed at a non-linear game - (a quick tip, don't rush for the battleship, or the level 4 missions folks - it will just give you a godlike delusion that will only lead to disappointment - save your money, build you real skill, and the skills in the training queue, bide your time, and find your place in the game)

Oh and let's not forget, that arguably the period in which Eve stopped growing - was when they removed the mechanic that when you got popped and podded, unless you had your clone up-graded, you actually lost skill points - something that was removed because it 'apparently' didn't encourage new players... born hey! that was back before you were born...