EVE General Discussion

The internets is full of wannabe hipster types that try and make themselves special by hating on everything, especially if its popular.

Most games cop that to some degree.

Your next mission is to copy all rants locked on these forums to a Steam review.

Fortunately, EVE doesn't fit into that category, so everything you read about it is 100% true.

Mr Epeen

the sneaking suspecting irony is that the reason EVE players dont like negative "comments" about EVE is the fact that it reminds them of their negative toughts about EVE they suppress.

When the ability to Accept that there is negative opinion about something you like fades away, there is a problem.

Time for the apologists, fanbois and sneaky petes to chime in. Honestly, (a word not heard much in these parts) if you do come from other games, the idea of ripping off other players, or victimizing them (which is game headshed enacting policy and software that favors some players over others, even though all players are paying the same fees) is more than a little strange.

The entry into EVE is, and all players freely admit this, only fun if you know someone. Very few have this privilege, and do have to walk in here alone. Therefore, by our OWN admission, it's not fun for them.

The funniest (funny strange, not funny "ho ho") bit is, everyone who poo pahs these "reviews" can't assert with a straight face that they wouldn't say just anything as sincerely as possible, just to lure another noob in here to rip off - and call it "emergent play."

Face it. EVE isn't rolling new subs in. It's barely appeasing those it has
who admittedly run multiple accounts and don't pay with money.

If you don't like hearing this, HTFU. Don't be a sissy and lie about it. You look foolish doing it.

No, not really. We can detect flame bait posts when we see them.

The initial post is clearly designed to inflame the EVE players against the Steam reviewers. The OP's follow-up post is an attack aimed at veterans. And your post continues the attack while tying it into the original flamebait topic. I'm guessing you're an alt.

So, no thanks, and IBTL.

Actually I agree. Read reviews about Eve Online, they are a good laugh

EVE is a niche game, and the mainstream opinion of it is never going to match that of the hobbyist, especially in the current climate of entitlement. People just don't understand the concept of 'player driver sandbox'. They want their hands held, they want to the game to make them feel mighty, and they want everything handed to them. But mainstream opinion is not all that well thought out. For example:

This will be the same crowd complaining that choices don't matter in other games like Mass Effect and SWTOR. Meanwhile, here's a game where you make all the choices, and they really do mean something. You don't pick a choice from a dialogue wheel and wish the wheel had offered you some other alternative, you literally get to make your own choice, not one that the devs have decided for you.

As a result, where both role playing and multiplayer interaction are concerned, this game beats all the others in spades. It comes with all the most important elements, including progression, but over here, your progression is entirely up to you, and based more on your own lived experience within the game rather than some arbitrary scoring system for killing things. Here, experience actually matters; choice actually matters; so much more is given meaning by giving the player this much freedom, and this much control. Sadly, the current generation of gamers don't appear to want that level of control, especially if it means all the other gamers around them get the same level of control (ie meritocracy). It seems to be a mindset infiltrating many schools of thought, not just gaming, including academia: "I should have my freedom to speak, to choose, etc, and you should be made to listen, and not gank me while I'm mining ice."

People don't seem to understand the emulation of freedom in reality that's going on in this game, or the fact that giving players true freedom to choose, rather than the illusion of choice, doesn't just emulate reality, but creates a very real social dynamic that one might even mistake for a legitimate civilisation. These are the things that make EVE unique, and make it stand, objectively (opposed to the subjective opinion of an amateur reviewer), head and shoulders above anything that anyone might consider 'competition' for this game, despite the fact that what makes it unique really negates any and all competition right from the word go.

Not really....

And funnily enough it was reading reviews of Eve on steam that bought me back to the game....

Although none of what you highlighted matches my favourite review on steam, for Crusader Kings II, which was something like...

'I have murdered my brother married his wife, and now I have fallen in love with her sister, murdered my wiife and been excommunicated. Oh and the Vikings are invading, and all my children are dead. This game is awesome!'

I suspect many could tell similar tales in Eve, but they don't write it on reviews due to in-game secrecy

(btw, I did buy Crusader Kings based on that review, and can vouch for it - murdering my seven nieces because they were found in the castle of a bitter enemy was perhaps my low-point - I had them all starved to death - though I took pity on the 8th)

Oh and btw... if you check out the experimental camera, you can get different views

What's really ironic is that steam charges them to download stuff that CCP gives them for free...