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Margareth Thatcher
Heraeus Edelmetall Verarbeitungs AG
#1 - 2015-12-21 14:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Margareth Thatcher
Hey guys!


I´ve developed a new pvp checker tool. Please give me feedback. If anybody wants to get alpha tester please mail me.

http://eve-pvpcheck.jimdo.com/

We can use this thread to stay in contact ;-)
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-12-21 22:02:12 UTC
People think about stuff too much. Just shoot them and sort the irrelevant details out later.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2015-12-21 22:11:49 UTC
look guys now you can be even more risk averse

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
LLeugh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-12-22 02:31:14 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
People think about stuff too much. Just shoot them and sort the irrelevant details out later.

Pirate
You both have a point Jack i love your point however i also know you use at least 1 tool to help you achieveLol this

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Battle clinic RIP >killing in all theatres of eve since 2007 >https://zkillboard.com/character/887080657/ if you wish to troll me please remap for Intelligence first
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-12-22 03:52:10 UTC
LLeugh wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
People think about stuff too much. Just shoot them and sort the irrelevant details out later.

Pirate
You both have a point Jack i love your point however i also know you use at least 1 tool to help you achieve this

I mean.... I use siggy i guess. it's not really the same thing.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Margareth Thatcher
Heraeus Edelmetall Verarbeitungs AG
#6 - 2015-12-22 10:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Margareth Thatcher
You should see it from another point. Not every eve player is a revolver hero coming from low sec and ready to kill noobs.

Many many guys and small gangs avoid targets because they don`t know if it´s a bait or not.

We saw that in null-, low sec and wormholes, again and again. In fact you can see more about your opponent as without using this tool. ;-)

I use it as a scout and we got more intel within seconds. I think I will release it in 1-2 weeks ;-) Just try it out.

But I need you for bug testing and improvements. We all love pvp and I would make it easier for us all ;-)
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-12-22 11:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Margareth Thatcher wrote:
Many many guys and small gangs avoid targets because they don`t know if it´s a bait or not.

see, this is EXACTLY the wrong kind of attitude I'm talking about.
The question you need to be asking is not 'is it bait?'. the question you need to be asking is 'how do I engage in a way so that I don't care when it turns out to be bait?'.

whether something is bait or not is completely irrelevant to the matter of if you should engage or not, it is only relevant to how you act throughout the engagement.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Margareth Thatcher
Heraeus Edelmetall Verarbeitungs AG
#8 - 2015-12-22 12:40:28 UTC
I understand your argument. But if you are solo flying you look and check targets more than one time to be sure not to die in your stratios or proteus...

This phaenomena of avoiding pvp, not loosing your ship in pvp is very present in the game.

Always keep in mind this is a tool which is checking chars within seconds with a smooth summary of information. It can make it easier to decide to attack someone or not. Eve is getting more and more baiting baiting and unfair pvp, this tool checks just for an unfair possibility of pvp.

And of course there is a comfortable component in it. The option to open evewho and zkillboard with one click. These pages load the correct data for the character/corp, you don´t need to enter a seperate search for it.
Missy Bunnz
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#9 - 2015-12-22 12:42:01 UTC
Never not take bait! Except maybe those Dura Lexx Rorquals. Be careful taking those. Take them anyway, just be careful.
Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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#10 - 2015-12-22 13:18:33 UTC
Missy Bunnz wrote:
Never not take bait! Except maybe those Dura Lexx Rorquals. Be careful taking those. Take them anyway, just be careful.

Seed caps in their wh, and watch their bait log off for a few weeks xd.

~lvl 60 paladin~
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2015-12-22 14:06:43 UTC
Margareth Thatcher wrote:
This phaenomena of avoiding pvp, not loosing your ship in pvp is very present in the game.

so let's make it more prevalent! It won't be detrimental at ALL

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Margareth Thatcher
Heraeus Edelmetall Verarbeitungs AG
#12 - 2015-12-22 15:34:56 UTC
A cool feature is to store all hotdropper cyno chars in database including those from PL Lol
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2015-12-22 15:38:03 UTC
Margareth Thatcher wrote:
A cool feature is to store all hotdropper cyno chars in database including those from PL Lol


There's already a tool that does that though

why would you be remotely worried about cyno chars in WHs...

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Margareth Thatcher
Heraeus Edelmetall Verarbeitungs AG
#14 - 2015-12-22 15:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Margareth Thatcher
Quote:

cyno chars in WHs...


did I ever mentioned it? I don´t think that I ever have seen a PL cyno char in a wh. But.... eh, yes my friend has also some cyno chars in his wormhole.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2015-12-22 15:47:59 UTC
I just don't understand why you'd store hot drop chars in WHs

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-12-22 22:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Margareth Thatcher wrote:
I understand your argument. But if you are solo flying you look and check targets more than one time to be sure not to die in your stratios or proteus...

I really dont. Sure, I click 'show info' on the pilot in game and if it's a large corp that I've heard of (realistically there's maybe 5 groups in that category) I possibly don't engage in an armour close range ship but come back in a 100mn or tornado ect but im not going to NOT engage, that's just silly.

note that this is an entirely different debate to what ships you can engage. if im poking around in my stratios (my stealth ship of choice, accept no substitute) with no backup and run into 2 lokis sitting off a WH, well i'm not engaging that no matter who's flying them since I know i can't take them.
on the other hand, if I run into a laser legion running a C2 site, there's no pilot in eve that I'm not engaging so any kind of 3rd party checks are completely irrelevant.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-12-22 22:56:21 UTC
I was once not engaged while i was mining because my zkill showed that i had PvP'd in a sabre recently.

I am a rubbish pilot who was piloting a rubbish mining barge and a group were to scared to try and kill me because of the pvp ships in my kills/losses.

Mans greatest fear isn't the unknown, it's the stupidly elaborate and contrived ideas people get from looking at these 'intel' tools. Suddenly i went from being just a random pilot in system in a mining barge, to being some bad ass who will kill them all because i had a few kills in an interdictor.

Honestly these pilot checking tools are cancerous and make people so damned scared of their own shadows that they won't take a chance anywhere and avoid any form of pvp that doesn't including sitting at 0 on a high sec wormhole or other similar tactics.

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-12-23 05:22:47 UTC
^Very well said

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Margareth Thatcher
Heraeus Edelmetall Verarbeitungs AG
#19 - 2015-12-23 12:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Margareth Thatcher
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
...

Honestly these pilot checking tools are cancerous and make people so damned scared of their own shadows that they won't take a chance anywhere and avoid any form of pvp that doesn't including sitting at 0 on a high sec wormhole or other similar tactics.


What pvp checker tools are there? - I don´t know them. Again in fact, it is a tool to check chars and tells you what kind of a guy he is.

People are scared but why are they scared? Because of getting killed in unfair pvp 1:5 or 1:10 ?!??!?!?!

Regarding to the cyno story. It is not important where the cyno char is, it´s just important to know that he is one. And believe me, there are players that are not as skilled in pvp as you are. There are scouts of fleets, that check corps and guys in wormholes, yes you don´t have a local there. It´s a totally other warfare as low sec pvp...

Just enter the name of that guy and press search, what is so difficult on that??? If you attack or not decides not the tool, but the FC or the solo player...
Margareth Thatcher
Heraeus Edelmetall Verarbeitungs AG
#20 - 2015-12-23 12:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Margareth Thatcher
Jack Miton wrote:

The question you need to be asking is not 'is it bait?'. the question you need to be asking is 'how do I engage in a way so that I don't care when it turns out to be bait?'.


Yes, you also get a summary of ships what he is flying, what doctrines and ships of his fleet members. And of course how much they are Blink

You cant be sure what he is flying in future, but you can see what he has done last summer.
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