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EVE: How to get my friends hooked & their first PLEX

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Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
#1 - 2015-12-21 22:25:48 UTC
Hi guys,

In the past year I've given some of my irl friends and internet 'guildies' who've shown interest in EVE a trial via recruitment. The common thing I hear is that they always wanted to try out EVE because it seems like such an awesome in-depth game etc.
So in their trial period I've always explained alot, shown them things, took them out to get brutally murdered by gatecamps, the works. After the trial though they are put off by the monthly sub because most of them play other MMO's for which they pay monthly, but their interest in EVE doesn't really diminish.

When I tell them you can work towards a PLEX, monthly, I see hope in their eyes Bear Well-known youtubers and streamers say the same thing: PLEX for first month is doable.Thing is, only one now-corpmate of mine got close to earning 100mil by himself for his first PLEX at the end of his trial, before I actually just gave him a PLEX for his first month after trial.

So how does a trial character, with limitations to his/her skill-learning and playtime, realistically go about getting his or her first PLEX in such a short time span?

Thanks in advance for your reply, I'd like to take my buddies into the game that I love! #thefeels

"Two things I've learned lately. One: don't get jammed. And two: stationary ships don't react well to 1400's" - John Rourke, Clear Skies 2

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2015-12-21 22:41:57 UTC
"hey, go try this awesome game, it's a sandbox and you can do amazingly funky things that you just can't do in any other MMO's you've ever played. All these opportunities, you can go wild! So here's an idea: Go grind like it's a ******* cubicle job for a couple of weeks and get bored to hell with it so you can save yourself the cost of a McD's lunch".


Do you actually LIKE your friends?
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-12-21 23:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Gregor Parud wrote:

Do you actually LIKE your friends?



Seriously. Even for high skill, min/maxxed farmers, plexing to play is still basically a ****** deal compared to a McJob, let alone an actual grown-ass adult gig.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-12-21 23:01:19 UTC
OP, to your question ... with hours and hours of stupid grind and luck.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#5 - 2015-12-21 23:48:28 UTC
Personally, it isn't the cost of the sub per se that sometimes bothered me, but rather its cost compared to the cost of other games on the market. For instance, I can buy an entire AAA-class game or several less fancy games for the cost of a munthly sub of both my accounts. The abundance of F2P games nowadays doesn't help the subscription-based model, either.

However, I still like the P2P model the most, since it is honest towards the customer, at least. You pay and always get the game's full content, unlike today's mousetraps where you have to buy DLCs which cost more than the original game.

Agent of the New Order

Live by the Code - die by the Code.

The Voice of Highsec

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6 - 2015-12-22 00:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Opinionated response:

Earning a PLEX as a new player is almost the opposite of getting hooked on the game. Without a large network (eg. Alliance/Coalition) around to provide the opportunities, the way to earn a PLEX is to do the most grinding, boring activities within the game (eg. station trading for hours while also learning the market as a new player, grinding for hours and hours in missions or mining or salvaging, etc.).

I can totally understand people making decisions about their spending that don't result in them spending more on gaming.

In that case, my view would be to really get them into the addictive aspects of Eve to the point where they decide to subscribe, even if that results in them dropping other subscriptions.

Grinding for a PLEX won't get them hooked.
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-12-22 00:59:59 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:

Do you actually LIKE your friends?



Seriously. Even for high skill, min/maxxed farmers, plexing to play is still basically a ****** deal compared to a McJob, let alone an actual grown-ass adult gig.


On the other hand, most peoples' jobs don't consist of watching breaking bad (again) while drinking beer and glancing at their computer occasionally while the isk comes in.
Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#8 - 2015-12-22 01:32:00 UTC
I'm a new player myself.. 3 weeks in and I'm hitting 1 billion "soon".. it's always soon...

I gave myself the target to earn myself a plex by the end of the month... but 2 weeks in I bought subscription cause I love this game too much... and I found myself enjoying the content and stuff I do with friends online.. I didn't really care too much about the isk amount.. I wanted to get better.. I wanted to do new stuff.. the isk came in steadily when I found myself doing the right things... doing it faster..

Luck is no doubt a factor too.. I got pretty lucky a few times. Then I realise the most intriguing, addictive part of this game is you don't know what you'll find after a kill.

Thus... it's good to let your friends know they can play the game well and it pays for itself...but let them enjoy their newbie journey. Don't feed them too much.. be it info or isk. Finding out stuff is actually fun in this game.

May the force be with them.

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.

Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-12-22 03:42:36 UTC
Trying to plex your account right when it's most difficult and requires the most grinding? You're setting them up for failure unless they scam or market trade pretty much.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#10 - 2015-12-22 04:35:18 UTC
They could but 10 100mil items for 0.01... that would get them pretty much there

It probably doesn't help that you are getting them killed in gate-camps - 'the works' - as that sort of thing is distracting
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
#11 - 2015-12-22 09:12:01 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Trying to plex your account right when it's most difficult and requires the most grinding? You're setting them up for failure unless they scam or market trade pretty much.


That's why I'm asking

Paul Pohl wrote:
They could but 10 100mil items for 0.01... that would get them pretty much there

It probably doesn't help that you are getting them killed in gate-camps - 'the works' - as that sort of thing is distracting


ikr, when they finally made 100 mil and I say "buy yourself a battlecruiser for which you have zero skill and money and let's go look for fights!" Classic.

"Two things I've learned lately. One: don't get jammed. And two: stationary ships don't react well to 1400's" - John Rourke, Clear Skies 2

Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-12-22 09:48:57 UTC
im going to write a guide on making a plex in the first week.

Step 1 - log into eve account management page

Step 2 - select buy plex

Step 3 - input paypal details (if paypal is not linked then please refer to "Key Point 1")

Step 4 - Pay for a damn plex

Step 5 - Log into EVE Online

Step 6 - Drag the plex from "Redeemable Items" to the desired character.

Step 7 - Click the character to enter the game

Step 8 - sell that **** on the market for a billion isk!

Step 9 - Buy dem battleships with meta modules and undock that **** right in Jita



Point 1 = https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/CZ/html/TopUp/buyer.html



****Alternative Methods****

Follow "Step 1" and subscribe to EVE Online for a little as $9.99

There fixed eve and your friends hopes can be traded for many funs

Thxbye

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Solecist Project
#13 - 2015-12-22 09:49:16 UTC

I do wonder what CCP thinks about all the new players who don't even pay their first subs with money.

How can people say they care about the game ...
... but not about bringing money into CCPs wallet?

Want CCP to go broke?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
#14 - 2015-12-22 10:47:28 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

I do wonder what CCP thinks about all the new players who don't even pay their first subs with money.

How can people say they care about the game ...
... but not about bringing money into CCPs wallet?

Want CCP to go broke?


Why would they care? It's the same money for them, no matter whether the buyer is space poor or rich.
Solecist Project
#15 - 2015-12-22 10:57:26 UTC
lmmortalist wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

I do wonder what CCP thinks about all the new players who don't even pay their first subs with money.

How can people say they care about the game ...
... but not about bringing money into CCPs wallet?

Want CCP to go broke?


Why would they care? It's the same money for them, no matter whether the buyer is space poor or rich.

Roll

If every new player started subbing with ISK ...
... then less people pay money for the game.

So when 5000 new players join over time and not a single one ever puts real money into CCPs wallet ...
... you think that won't have negative impact?
There is reason to believe they will pay anything else with real money either.

Do you really believe that those who buy PLEX with money to sell on the market can sustain this forever?


The "those who sub with plex still bring money" crowd forgets, that ...
... it's always better when two pay with real money ...
... compared to only one doing it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Gliese Casserres
Confused Bunnies Inc
#16 - 2015-12-22 11:10:06 UTC
Who uses plex, when subscription is several units of money cheaper?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2015-12-22 11:24:10 UTC
the price for a month in eve for two accounts is the equivalent of :

maby an houre in a pub if your cheap

what you would pay at the door of a nightclub just to be allowed in

a nice bottle of wine

a nice Chinese takaway

a s*** Chinese takaway, a bottle of s*** wine and a lonely cry in the afternoon with network tv

you get the idea.

eve is surprisingly good value for money , tell yer mates to stop being cheap and cough up.
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
#18 - 2015-12-22 13:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarsoom Blade
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Seriously. Even for high skill, min/maxxed farmers, plexing to play is still basically a ****** deal compared to a McJob, let alone an actual grown-ass adult gig.


I told my friends to man up and get another job, at McDonalds. Sadly they won't accept anyone without at least 30 years of experience in the fine art of burger flipping. Shame really, since that €4,25 an hour for two nights a week could've really helped pay off student loans besides a full-time job. Bear

It's not about having a job or funds to pay for EVE, it's the willingness to pay for EVE, games and in general monthly fees/subs. Since subs are generally frowned upon by a growing minority of gamers, with a vast sea op F2P/B2P options available. Most of them don't know EVE is in fact good value for money as Ralph said. Expansions are 'free' for example. You pay a sub for the reason subs were actually implemented in games, to support the expansion of the game. Real expansion packs, not updates (updates, which in my opinion are a service for the customer->the player->you and I, not something you pay for, although other MMO companies state otherwise). PLEX is just a good alternative, a goal to work towards, or something you say to your friends you want to continue play EVE with, gnegnegne.

I pay an annual sub, I've never saved ISK for a PLEX. So I was curious if it was actually doable. Thanks for answering that question guys! Seems you can't really discover the things that, gets you hooked on, and you'd enjoy in, the game if you need to grind for PLEX.

So I'll redirect and rephrase! How did you guys get your friends to continously play EVE? Ignoring the need for a monthly PLEX for now.

Thanks again ;)

"Two things I've learned lately. One: don't get jammed. And two: stationary ships don't react well to 1400's" - John Rourke, Clear Skies 2

lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
#19 - 2015-12-22 14:52:15 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
lmmortalist wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

I do wonder what CCP thinks about all the new players who don't even pay their first subs with money.

How can people say they care about the game ...
... but not about bringing money into CCPs wallet?

Want CCP to go broke?


Why would they care? It's the same money for them, no matter whether the buyer is space poor or rich.

Roll

If every new player started subbing with ISK ...
... then less people pay money for the game.

So when 5000 new players join over time and not a single one ever puts real money into CCPs wallet ...
... you think that won't have negative impact?
There is reason to believe they will pay anything else with real money either.

Do you really believe that those who buy PLEX with money to sell on the market can sustain this forever?


The "those who sub with plex still bring money" crowd forgets, that ...
... it's always better when two pay with real money ...
... compared to only one doing it.


Roll

If every new player started subbing with ISK ...
... then less new people pay real-life cash for the game.

So when 5000 new players join over time and not a single one ever puts real-life cash into CCPs wallet ...
... you think other players won't start buying PLEX with real-life cash to be sold in-game?
There is no reason to believe 100% of players wouldn't pay for their subscriptions with real-life currencies.

Do you really believe that those who buy PLEX with isk will be able to massively overthrow the number of the ones selling them for isk?


The "you" crowd forgets, that ...
... it's the price of two subscriptions being paid for (even more) with real money when theres a month of subs + a PLEX being bought ...
... compared to two doing it.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#20 - 2015-12-22 14:55:39 UTC
Aha, this is another "I want EVE to be F2P" hidden agenda thing. Noted.


Still I'll alswer it: You show them options and let them decide for themselves what they're going to do, everyone is different and everyone has different drives, goals and turn offs. If they like it they'll pay for it, if they don't like it then they won't pay for it. If it were F2P they might try it a few times but if they didn't like it when it was sub based they won't like it F2P either, not enough to pay because then they'd pay for a sub too.

So there's no gain to be had for EVE to go F2P because all that'll happen is alts accounts with maxed/fleshed out alts stop paying sub and an onslaught of poorfag low IQ inbred morons who will clog up the intertubes, **** in all corners and never pay a dime.
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