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To my fellow newbies

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Face Blob
Anamolous Phenomena
#1 - 2015-12-21 19:16:09 UTC
Hello everyone!

My name is Face Blob and I have been playing eve for a week now.

In my limited play time, I have seen a lot of new players complain about various things about the game. Most of the time it’s something like “This game is too hard” “The game doesn’t tell me what to do” “This ***hat killed me for no reason and there is nothing I can do about it”

Don’t get me wrong. I do understand that this is how a lot of people feel, especially if their past gaming experience are more “modern” MMOs. I have played a lot of MMOs in the past myself, including WoW, and if that is the gaming experience you are used to, it’s completely natural to feel overwhelmed, lost, powerless and frustrated.

I haven’t had those feelings when it comes to EVE. At least not yet. :D
My advice to anyone who just started, or are planning on trying EVE is to see it as a learning experience. There is no need to be in a hurry. No matter how much you play, your skills won’t train faster. So every time you get those negative feelings, take a step back and relax for a while. Then come back and find out how to avoid that situation in the future. “Meditate on this you must!”

I saw someone complain about getting War decced by an experienced player. The lovely people in here had different ideas about what this person might do in this situation, including trying to fight back and learning from it. This person responded with something along the lines of “What in all of New Eden can I learn from getting killed?!”. The answer to this question is quite simply “A hell of alot!!”

Let me give you an example from my own experiences.

A few days ago I decided to travel into low sec. Why? because I’m doing exploration, and the competition is just way to high for it to be worth it as the loot in High Sec isn’t worth a lot.

I found myself in a Low Sec system with no one else around, so I thought to myself “I’ll warp to this planet, that way I’m not a sitting duck at the gate if someone comes in here”.

A few minutes later, a guy appears in the system. I don’t pay much attention to it and keep scanning. 2 minutes later he’s next to me and pods me in 2 hits. He had me scrambled, preventing me from warping, so there wasn’t really much I could do about it. At least that’s what I thought for the first 10 min.

But instead of getting down, I went on the interwebs and found out that there were a lot of things I could do about it.

This one experience taught me about Warp Core Stabilizers, The importance of paying attention to local, cloaking, and most importantly, how to make safe points in a system to make you harder to find.

Today (2-3 days later) I’m now traveling in null sec/unknown space looking for stuff to loot, and I haven’t been killed even once after that initial experience of getting ganked. (THIS IS NOT A CHALLENGE!! :D)

So my advice to you is this.

Whenever something bad happens to you, find out how to avoid it. Go online and watch videos, read guides or ask the nice people here in the forums for guidance! There is always something you can learn from bad experiences in EVE, and every time you do, you are less likely to experience the same thing again!

I do apologise for the wall of text, but I had to write this as it’s so sad to see new players give up within the first week. If you are new to EVE, I do hope that you do decide to slow down and learn how to avoid bad situations. If you take the time to do research, this game seems to have a lot to offer, and personally I’m only getting more excited about the game as the days goes by! :)

To any veteran players who ends up reading this.. If what I have said in here isn’t true, please call me out on it! This is just my experience so far as a complete noob, and I want other new players to see that, even for a complete noob, there is a light on the other side of the wormhole. It might only be the slight reflection of a cloaked stealth bomber waiting to pod you, but it is a light none the less :D
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-12-21 20:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
You just set the first step towards winning EVE.


GREAT write up on the game from a new player's POV, and with the perfect mindset.

There is no losing in EVE, just (expensive) learning situations.
Anything that happens to you in EVE, both good and bad, are a result of your own actions (or lack there of).


P.s.

You are a newb, not a noob.

There IS a difference

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2015-12-21 20:24:27 UTC
Newbro is faced with the challenge of learning eve, rises to it.

Fantastic.

Next step for you should be finding a Corp and making friends and enemies (particularly enemies, they're way more fun)
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#4 - 2015-12-21 21:02:41 UTC
Great writeup, another thing to do is start a conversation with whoever killed you, explain that you're new and ask what you did wrong. 99% of us will spend the next 40 minutes explaining how to improve. Helping newbies who want help and don't simply rage-quit is almost universally something vets enjoy doing.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2015-12-21 21:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
*stuffs cigar in OP's mouth*

You deserve it!


In keeping with the theme of this thread, let me say one thing to all newbies;

Yes, we are cruel in-game. Yes, we will gank you... scam you... use and abuse you... send you out as cannon fodder...

But if you ask (nicely), we will also give you all the advice you could have ever hoped to want. Advice that will help you not just survive but thrive. We will even tell you how to effectively fight back against us. Hell... we might even give you you stuff if we like you and think you have potential.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#6 - 2015-12-21 21:26:13 UTC
I didn't look at your killboard before my last post, looking at that death, I would strongly recommend ditching the shields for a heron. Fit a

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Scan Pinpointing Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I
Scan Acquisition Array I

and put two Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade's in the rigs. It's been a long time since I used a heron, so put CPU/powergrid mods in the low slots if need be.

If you're caught, you are dead anyway, so fit to cut down on scanning, set your d-scan to 5AU, spam it when at a site. If anyone is close to you, bug out. Also, leave the last can of each site un-hacked. Many times there's a cloaky person sitting waiting for you to finish the site, and he will wait until you finish the last can to decloak and jump you. Leaving the last can will save you a decent chunk of times.

Oh, and put at least a Prototype Cloaking Device I in your high slots. If you're cloaked at a safe spot, no one will ever find you.

And install/use this when in low sec http://eve-plh.com/#/home
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-12-21 22:53:15 UTC
*Vigorous applause*

Grrr.

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#8 - 2015-12-21 23:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Cidanel Afuran wrote:

If you're caught, you are dead anyway, so fit to cut down on scanning, set your d-scan to 5AU, spam it when at a site. If anyone is close to you, bug out. Also, leave the last can of each site un-hacked. Many times there's a cloaky person sitting waiting for you to finish the site, and he will wait until you finish the last can to decloak and jump you. e


OP, Good post. You will go far.


Cidanel, This is the first I've heard that strategy. I've personally been trying to make sure all cans are hacked and if I scan a site with one can, hack it to force a respawn.

My understanding is that sites don't respawn unless you hack all cans, so I've been making sure sites are completely hacked as a courtesy. Never been ganked on a last can myself, last gank I recall was an arazu decloaking off starboard after the second can.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#9 - 2015-12-21 23:25:34 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
[Cidanel, This is the first I've heard that strategy. I've personally been trying to make sure all cans are hacked and if I scan a site with one can, hack it to force a respawn.

My understanding is that sites don't respawn unless you hack all cans, so I've been making sure sites are completely hacked as a courtesy. Never been ganked on a last can myself, last gank I recall was an arazu decloaking off starboard after the second can.


I never stick in the same systems to do exploration, I typically roam around, so leaving sites sitting there isn't a big deal. They despawn naturally so long after someone first warps to them. I forget the exact time frame.

How I do it might be more relevant to W-space than low/NS. I personally hunt explorers by having a cloaky-warp in alt and a bubbler to warp in when they do the last can, just so I have a shot at getting a bit more loot and the pod. Doing it in low when you're alone in a system would probably be overkill.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#10 - 2015-12-21 23:34:15 UTC
You are the sort of new player EVE wants and needs.

I'll give you a story of my own.

There I was, a fresh-faced newbie (not on this char) making my way through the tutorial missions. I get to a mission that requires me to hand-in 1 Zydrine to an agent, so I open up the market window and see that someone is selling a single unit of Zydrine. I buy the 1x Zydrine and then set destination to the station it was in, a lowsec station. I had heard that anywhere outside of highsec is supposed to be a scary place where you will die, and the warning notification I received when about to jump through the gate to lowsec gave me some pause for thought, but I decided I wanted my 1 unit of Zydrine more than anything and headed through regardless.

As soon as I jumped through the gate there was someone there waiting, I saw a red thing on my overview and panicked. I spammed the dock button for my destination station, and in the few seconds it took me to align in my frigate, I knew enough to know I was being targeted. As I landed at the station, I saw the same red scary thing on my overview and I was being targeted again, it was the same person who was at the gate. Fortunately I got the docking confirmation before they were able to lock me up. In station, heart racing, I grab my precious mineral and put it in my cargo hold, I then sat there for a few minutes wondering what to do next, I'm trapped in this station and I don't want to let some guy keep me here all night long.

Then I had a revelation, "If he was unable to lock me at the gate, and at the station, then I'm simply too fast for him!" I work up the courage and decide to put my flawless theory into practice, I undock, press jump to the gate and boom! I didn't even make it off the station, and a few seconds later my pod goes "squish" and I find myself back in the starter station, feeling a bit sorry for myself. "Who was that guy anyway, and why would he kill a newbie who has literally been playing for under an hour?" I look him up and his name is somewhat familiar to me, a short while later when checking my wallet I realise that the guy who killed me was the guy who sold me that damn single unit of Zydrine!

So, in less than an hour or so of gametime I had learned the following:
- Lowsec is a scary (yet exciting) place where you will die
- If you spam the warp button while your ship explodes, you can save your pod (never lost a pod since, on that char)
- The market can be used to kill people

I also gained a mortal enemy that I wanted to kill, which further taught me how to use locator agents, but unfortunately never got the chance to before they quit the game. I have the names of a few of that person's corpmates who do still play the game however, so I may decide to unleash some pseudo-revenge at some point in the future, over something that happened to me 5 years ago in a video game.

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#11 - 2015-12-21 23:46:48 UTC
Welcome to New Eden Cool

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Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#12 - 2015-12-22 01:43:59 UTC
I share your sentiments about how Eve should be played as a new bro. I'm 3 weeks into this game.

Great write up. You spoke my mind literally.

Add me as a contact and let's do something together in game soon.

The force is strong with this one.

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.

Marco Armstrong
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-12-22 02:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Marco Armstrong
New player with a 10 day old account. Joined a damn awesome exploration corp and I've made 300~ million ISK in that time playing casually. How? Exploration of C1 - C3 class Wormholes that lead to null and low sec. It's really not that hard as long as you are really careful and do a lot of research and what to do and more importantly not do. I've only lost one ship worth 2 million roughly so far and that was because I hadn't yet learned the lesson of not to do any hacking if someone else is in local.
Face Blob
Anamolous Phenomena
#14 - 2015-12-22 03:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Face Blob
Thank you all for actually reading the whole thing. And for your kind comments as well :)

Cidanel Afuran wrote:
I didn't look at your killboard before my last post, looking at that death, I would strongly recommend ditching the shields for a heron. Fit a

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Scan Pinpointing Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I
Scan Acquisition Array I

and put two Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade's in the rigs. It's been a long time since I used a heron, so put CPU/powergrid mods in the low slots if need be.

If you're caught, you are dead anyway, so fit to cut down on scanning, set your d-scan to 5AU, spam it when at a site. If anyone is close to you, bug out. Also, leave the last can of each site un-hacked. Many times there's a cloaky person sitting waiting for you to finish the site, and he will wait until you finish the last can to decloak and jump you. Leaving the last can will save you a decent chunk of times.

Oh, and put at least a Prototype Cloaking Device I in your high slots. If you're cloaked at a safe spot, no one will ever find you.

And install/use this when in low sec http://eve-plh.com/#/home


Thanks for the advice!
My fit changed quite a bit since that death.

I'm now using two Warp Core Stabilizers in the low slots. The main reason for that is my horrible reaction time. At least with two of those, there is a good chance I won't be scrambled and have a chance to warp away. I'll probably end up swapping one of both of them out at some point though :)

The shield where dropped for a Rangefinding Array and I'm also running a cloak.

What I usually do now is to warp to a random location, and setting up a safe spot somewhere in between there. I launch my probes, warp to safe location, cloak up and start flying in a random direction while scanning the sites.

So far it has worked wonders :)

I also fitted a cargo scanner. I usually look for the containers with decent loot before I start hacking, so in case someone enters the system, I already have the more expensive stuff and have no problems leaving the cheap loot behind to avoid getting ganked :)
Face Blob
Anamolous Phenomena
#15 - 2015-12-22 03:53:38 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Newbro is faced with the challenge of learning eve, rises to it.

Fantastic.

Next step for you should be finding a Corp and making friends and enemies (particularly enemies, they're way more fun)


I am currently looking for a corp, as any game (for me at least) is a lot more enjoyable when playing with others. I'm gonna take my time and research the corps though. I don't want to join a random corp and end up leaving quickly because it doesn't suit me :)

It's going to take some time, but I think it's going to be worth it in the end :)
Moon Moon Burdy
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-12-22 05:21:23 UTC
Welcome to New Eden. Please read this life saving list of blog entries at your leisure. Helpful, even invaluable information is contained within. Also, Jessica Alba.

Things that went boom

Storytime with Moon Moon New stories semi frequently-ish!

Promising Young Murderer, Education Appreciated.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#17 - 2015-12-22 05:41:35 UTC
OP - You need to teach the lessons you have learned to other players.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-12-22 09:19:02 UTC
EvE is easy, isn't it? Blink

You will doing fine in New Eden, welcome!

Take your time looking up a suitable corp, it should fit your style not the other way round. In the meantime check out the casual PvP communities (channels) ... Spectre Fleet, Redemption Road, Bombers Bar. Those offer newbie friendly "guided" fleet PvP, and give you access to the "This is EvE" expierience.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Solecist Project
#19 - 2015-12-22 10:19:26 UTC
Remember to take advantage of those who whine about the game.

Like, forming a corp with them. Have them bleed corptaxes.
Blow up their ships if they're worth it.
Ransom them.

OOOOOrrrr ... mail me the names...... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

*coughcough*
*sips coffee*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Face Blob
Anamolous Phenomena
#20 - 2015-12-22 13:53:38 UTC
Moon Moon Burdy wrote:
Welcome to New Eden. Please read this life saving list of blog entries at your leisure. Helpful, even invaluable information is contained within. Also, Jessica Alba.


Thank you for the link. I'll make sure to read up on some of it when I have time :)


Solecist Project wrote:
Remember to take advantage of those who whine about the game.

Like, forming a corp with them. Have them bleed corptaxes.
Blow up their ships if they're worth it.
Ransom them.

OOOOOrrrr ... mail me the names...... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

*coughcough*
*sips coffee*


haha. That made my day :D I don't think I have it in me... YET!! I'm sure it will come with time :P

Tipa Riot wrote:
EvE is easy, isn't it? Blink

You will doing fine in New Eden, welcome!

Take your time looking up a suitable corp, it should fit your style not the other way round. In the meantime check out the casual PvP communities (channels) ... Spectre Fleet, Redemption Road, Bombers Bar. Those offer newbie friendly "guided" fleet PvP, and give you access to the "This is EvE" expierience.


NOPE. It really isn't... And that's probably why I'm enjoying it so much! It's a challenge, which is something I have been looking for in other games! :D

Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
OP - You need to teach the lessons you have learned to other players.


That's why I wrote this post :) I have been doing video guides and streams for quite a while (on and off) so I will be making content for EVE as well. Most of the things are already explained by other players though, so I'll only be doing videos for stuff where I have something to add, or if I feel that I can make the format better and more compact. :)


Thanks to EVERYONE for the possitive feedback, advice and warm welcome!
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