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[Proposal] Voting Software for CSM Elections.

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Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#41 - 2012-01-06 19:53:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
...



Solution :

33.333% of CSM members from 0.0 sec mains
33.333% of CSM members from low sec alts
33.333% of CSM members from high sec alts


You see the problem here?

It's that you are kind of hard of thinking.



CCP can check client IPs for main and alts.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-01-06 19:57:27 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
...



Solution :

33.333% of CSM members from 0.0 sec mains
33.333% of CSM members from low sec alts
33.333% of CSM members from high sec alts


You see the problem here?

It's that you are kind of hard of thinking.



CCP can check client IPs for main and alts.


Quit while your ahead kiddo. You've been pwn3d....time to surrender.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#43 - 2012-01-06 20:05:16 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I, too, claim the AUR protests were what caused CCP to change their minds.


I think it's reasonable to say that they were a contributory factor. The playerbase unsubs, the protests, the CSM, and the threadnaughts all played a part IMO.

Personally I think the CSM were highly useful in that they provided a calm, detailed 2-way discussion of what the real issues were - extremely useful at a time when CCP had lost touch with their customers - and had considerable input in pointing the new direction the right way. Saying that the CSM were "useless" is flying in the face of the facts, including CCP's own statements.

That said, CSM5 weren't by any means useless either. Much of the groundwork for the successes of CSM6 were laid by CSM5. CSM6 is the most successful CSM yet, but CSm5 were the most successful CSM to date as well.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-01-06 20:07:02 UTC
please don't bring any of these "facts" to the mix, there is no place for them, only delusional, paranoid ramblings

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#45 - 2012-01-06 20:16:59 UTC
I realise my mistake and I apologise unreservedly.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-01-06 20:21:28 UTC
Of course the AUR protests etc were part of the reason, but maggots like whomeverthefuck here seems to want to be about as good at talking about facts as EN24 is.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-01-06 20:22:21 UTC
Which means if it involves goons or the clusterfuck, either ignore it wholeheartedly, or just cover whatever they didn't do.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Naj Panora
The Seekers of Ore
#48 - 2012-01-06 20:36:14 UTC
I'm giving this a like with the exception don't put it on the log in screen and make it required to log in put it in a separate box on the char selection screen so it is still optional but easily accessible to the player base.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#49 - 2012-01-07 00:20:29 UTC
My first thought: Forced voting? wtf

Requiring people to vote before they can log into EVE is damaging. What do you hope to get out of this? A scramble of EVE patrons to the forums in some mad dash attempt to figure out wtf is going on, and try to maybe figure out what they should do.

Fact is, yes, 80% of the population lives in Empire. Many of them are also Alts of various 0.0 Allaince members. Probably more than 20%.

Random math:

If the current population of the game is 350K, the 0.0 population is 10% of that number, and each 0.0 population meber has a mission running Empire Alt, while 30% of the 0.0 population has 2 Empire Production toons, and another half of the 0.0 population maintains Empire Trade alt's in Jita; what is the percentage of 0.0 Alliance members in the population and current number of subscribers based on a population of 350K?

Also, I brought up in-game voting propaganda last year before CSM, and it was promptly tromped on as immersion breaking. This, despite CSM being a "Council of Stellar Management," which is rather in line with current game structure and mechanics. I thought it was relatively feasible and easy to meld into game dynamics myself, but apparently the majority believe otherwise.

Not a bad thing, but I'd still like to see more people vote, and take part in forum discussions. The fact that I recognize nearly every poster today from last year, and previous years, is a profound statement of the state of the forums and relative stagnation of discussion here.

Some things have changed, as have some people; which is nice to see.
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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-01-07 10:53:03 UTC
Ariete wrote:
Ok so i haven't played this game that long, but i have good and bad experience of the politics of MMORPG's.

Personally i think the CSM's shouldn't be elected, having elected CSM's seems to favour one type of player or play style. Having CSM's nominated instead allows for a much broad range of CSM's from the player base. It would allow CCP to choose players who represent the player base better i.e. RP'ers, Mission Runners, Industrialist and PVP'ers

You don't see any problem with CCP staff hand-picking the people they want to use for consultation and advice?

Silly question, no, of course you don't see the problem.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-01-07 10:59:22 UTC
Technically, they can do that now, by rigging the voting system. We have to trust tat they don't.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#52 - 2012-01-07 11:17:42 UTC
Forced Voting is a horrible idea. Why would you want Ignorant or just plain don't give a **** players to vote? Informed players will know about the vote and be able to have a voice in who's in the next CSM if they choose.
Disdaine
#53 - 2012-01-07 11:40:08 UTC
+1 for mandatory voting.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-01-07 12:04:44 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
+1 for mandatory voting.

Move to australia, then.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Di Mulle
#55 - 2012-01-07 16:32:24 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:

Solution :

33.333% of CSM members from 0.0 sec
33.333% of CSM members from low sec
33.333% of CSM members from high sec


Not even speaking about alts, what exactly defines "from high sec" etc. ?
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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-01-07 17:34:45 UTC
3 of my 5 chars are in hisec. I guess that makes me a 60% hisec person.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-01-08 09:23:25 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:

Solution :

33.333% of CSM members from 0.0 sec
33.333% of CSM members from low sec
33.333% of CSM members from high sec


Excellent plan.

By forcing the CSM to include less capable highsec players through positive discrimination, rather than allowing the election to only choose the best candidates, it means that they'll be more susceptible to manipulation by the more knowledgeable and politically adept 0.0 and lowsec members.

We'll have Jita made into a 0.4 and halve the EHP of mining barges within a matter of months! Big smile

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Disdaine
#58 - 2012-01-08 09:31:13 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:

We'll have Jita made into a 0.4 and halve the EHP of mining barges within a matter of months! Big smile


Thanks for clearing up the confusion over the goons agenda.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-01-09 00:47:06 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
3 of my 5 chars are in hisec. I guess that makes me a 60% hisec person.

This also means your vote counts for 3/5th only. Just like... you know.
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