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Solecist Project
#81 - 2015-12-14 12:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
CCP Darwin wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

Have you tried running your own little decompression algorithm on the shader?
Nebulae are mostly gradients...

Gentle color gradients are by far the hardest type of image to compress without visible artifacts.

Can I have a few of your super highres minmatar and amarr nebulae to experiment with? :D



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNaAYKV5mIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAM-G12c46U&list=UUKy3MG7_If9KlVuvw3rPMfw&index=73


^_^

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#82 - 2015-12-14 20:09:33 UTC

I know I'm super annoying with this, but why can't you crowdsource parts of the development ?

Textures seem to be a perfect test environment for that.

Shadercode optional.



Your shader code is a lot public knowledge anyway ...
... like the true imposters from gpu gems. :)


Can we at least talk about it ? :D

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2015-12-15 05:03:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyia Suze Nagala
CCP Darwin wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

Have you tried running your own little decompression algorithm on the shader?
Nebulae are mostly gradients...

Gentle color gradients are by far the hardest type of image to compress without visible artifacts.


You know I just was playing for a while, and I'll admit the shading on the nebulas, really isn't bad. Yes, the darker areas around the edges are pixilated more, but it’s not horrible.

I think the change was “noticeable” which is why it really stood out initially and made it seem really bad; I’m sure some parts of space are worse than others, but all in all, it’s certainly acceptable. I know as time goes on the quality will continue to improve and change.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2015-12-15 05:22:20 UTC
I just completed a bunch of jumps between Jita and Sasta while on business and the most dramatic areas affected were, as you said, the subtle gradients in the dark fringe areas of nebula backgrounds. I believe you said it earlier, but I’ll feel we can confirm it. The problems looks to be that, mention above.

"Zooming in" made the gradations more noticeable when viewing darker, gentle, clouded portions of space with lower contrasts, compared to the high depth ones full of gas features, lighting, and high levels of contrast.
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#85 - 2015-12-15 06:12:40 UTC
Changes now are only minor. If/when new camera with fovchanges and other "goodies" goes live, things will likely be more apparent. Ofc that's if there weren't going to be improvements which CCP have said they are working on. Should try to withhold judgement until the new fixes come out on sisi.

Daemun of Khanid
CCP Blaze
C C P
C C P Alliance
#86 - 2015-12-16 12:58:56 UTC
We have some changes incoming that should reduce the worst of the compression artifacts. Will hopefully go live tomorrow.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2015-12-16 14:12:44 UTC
CCP Blaze wrote:
We have some changes incoming that should reduce the worst of the compression artifacts. Will hopefully go live tomorrow.


Great!
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2015-12-21 08:06:22 UTC
CCP Blaze wrote:
We have some changes incoming that should reduce the worst of the compression artifacts. Will hopefully go live tomorrow.

There is a noticable improvement! good job.
Commander Spurty
#89 - 2015-12-21 12:39:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Spurty
is Anti-Aliasing Disabled?

I usually run with this on. Last update turned it off. Was noticeable (Suddenly, jagged bubbles)

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Solecist Project
#90 - 2015-12-21 13:21:46 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
is Anti-Aliasing Disabled?

I usually run with this on. Last update turned it off. Was noticeable (Suddenly, jagged bubbles)

Nope.

Also thanks CCP Darwin and the others,
the nebulae look indeed much better now! :D

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#91 - 2015-12-21 15:40:36 UTC
Nope - still looks extremely pixelated.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#92 - 2015-12-21 16:17:10 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Commander Spurty wrote:
is Anti-Aliasing Disabled?

I usually run with this on. Last update turned it off. Was noticeable (Suddenly, jagged bubbles)

Nope.

Also thanks CCP Darwin and the others,
the nebulae look indeed much better now! :D



Sorry to burst your bubble but absolutely no discernible difference whatsoever in them reverting back to the previous quality prior the unintended change.

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Solecist Project
#93 - 2015-12-21 16:19:17 UTC
Faenir Antollare wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Commander Spurty wrote:
is Anti-Aliasing Disabled?

I usually run with this on. Last update turned it off. Was noticeable (Suddenly, jagged bubbles)

Nope.

Also thanks CCP Darwin and the others,
the nebulae look indeed much better now! :D



Sorry to burst your bubble but absolutely no discernible difference whatsoever in them reverting back to the previous quality prior the unintended change.

*pats your head and smiles*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#94 - 2015-12-21 16:20:59 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Commander Spurty wrote:
is Anti-Aliasing Disabled?

I usually run with this on. Last update turned it off. Was noticeable (Suddenly, jagged bubbles)

Nope.

Also thanks CCP Darwin and the others,
the nebulae look indeed much better now! :D



Sorry to burst your bubble but absolutely no discernible difference whatsoever in them reverting back to the previous quality prior the unintended change.

*pats your head and smiles*



Better than you shitting up the thread again I suppose :)

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Solecist Project
#95 - 2015-12-21 16:29:28 UTC

If you cared about the thread more than about how I bother you ...
... you wouldn't have posted to gain my attention.

You silly, bye bye :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#96 - 2015-12-21 16:32:14 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

If you cared about the thread more than about how I bother you ...
... you wouldn't have posted to gain my attention.

You silly, bye bye :)



Get over yourself lol P
Looking through this again in retro I do indeed see a lot of attention seeking, it is both unnecessary and quite distracting yet persistent....

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#97 - 2015-12-21 18:20:03 UTC
Yes it looks slightly better.

But If you people would like to see a really good graphics, you can always watch the sky outside the computer.

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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#98 - 2015-12-22 10:18:40 UTC
It comes outside of the computer now? You mean like 3D?
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#99 - 2015-12-22 22:07:15 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Yes it looks slightly better.

But If you people would like to see a really good graphics, you can always watch the sky outside the computer.



Not sure if my computer will run it...

Perhaps I upgrade some day.

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