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DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#41 - 2015-12-21 09:00:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
Exceptional, by definition, are those who are not the norm but the exception. I think the still alive Beta timers deserve the tag of exceptional by definition.
By that definition, they should also give out free subscriptions to all new players. So why aren't you proposing that?




A perfect example of a demagogue. I mean, really? did you even think before posting this?

So since there is not two characters exactly the same and we are all unique, then I should ask also for something to every one? Do we need to entertain you by digging into the kind of uniqueness that can not be reproduced in that uniqueness which is what we talking about and not whatever uniqueness you want to point and explain that is the kind of the uniqueness itself what is noteworthy but not so any other random uniqueness? Is that the way you want to go for your pleasure?

I did not ask you to pay their subscription. I asked to create a game mechanic that would give them the plex out of thin air. My point can be seen as I am over honoring these players. Alright that can be the opinion, but would like to know the dire need some of you have to stop it. We could dig also in that direction if you want to digress.

What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#42 - 2015-12-21 09:07:37 UTC
Louise Beethoven wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
toon

The Unique Identifier of a moron


In your narrow mind only. Open it up a bit. Are you cultivated enough to speak in my first language so I dont bother you with my out-of-fashion expressions? No? Ok then I will have to speak in your language then but dont call me names if my slang is not too groovy.

EVE is a war game. EVE forums still a talking place. Being hard in EVE is part of the game but being Hard in forums makes you a rude troll.

What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#43 - 2015-12-21 09:18:27 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
They already got the 10 year veteran station and all that other awesome stuff from the loyalty rewards program CCP talked about at fanfest.


Oh did they? I didnt know so they have got the mention, reward or distinction I was asking for. In a way CCP has move already in the direction, they agree they are special, they deserved something for loyalty and for being here since day one, all these things I see but others seems not to. This is good enough then. I will go and find a read about that station.

What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#44 - 2015-12-21 09:21:24 UTC
ApophisXP wrote:
Kieron VonDeux wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
They already got the 10 year veteran station and all that other awesome stuff from the loyalty rewards program CCP talked about at fanfest.



Where is this 10 year Vet station?




This was something I was looking forward to, but apparently its not worth the resources as stated by a dev in the thread about it before.

Be nice to get some form of recognition for those who still feel passionate about the game after such a long time.

Needs to be controlled to an extent though, as in no transferred chars etc otherwise people will just end up buying them, beating the whole point of the recognition system.

Linky to the dev post referred to;

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4502687#post4502687


Thank you.

What did you say about CODE?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#45 - 2015-12-21 09:23:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
DHuncan wrote:
I will go and find a read about that station.

Lol. Start here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4502687#post4502687
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2015-12-21 10:23:17 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
A perfect example of a demagogue. I mean, really? did you even think before posting this?
Are you asking me or yourself? Your argument certainly doesn't feel very thought-through. Again, you haven't really presented any reason why old players should be granted this unnecessary advantage other than a reason that applies equally well to a category of players that would be far better served by receiving it.

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So since there is not two characters exactly the same and we are all unique, then I should ask also for something to every one?
By your reasoning of honouring the exceptional, yes.

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I asked to create a game mechanic that would give them the plex out of thin air.
…and provided no sensible reason why such a massive disruption should be allowed to happen.

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EVE is a war game.
That's a very good point. Unfortunately, it's a point against your idea as previously described.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#47 - 2015-12-21 10:58:45 UTC
For someone who doesn't have, as he stated, a personal interest in it he sure tries very hard. I wonder why that is. Also if you're that dumb and still lead a corp of other people then that's generally not a good sign.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#48 - 2015-12-21 11:18:09 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
They already got the 10 year veteran station and all that other awesome stuff from the loyalty rewards program CCP talked about at fanfest.


Oh did they? I didnt know so they have got the mention, reward or distinction I was asking for. In a way CCP has move already in the direction, they agree they are special, they deserved something for loyalty and for being here since day one, all these things I see but others seems not to. This is good enough then. I will go and find a read about that station.

Haha, no, no one got something. CCP just talked about how much "awesome" stuff they would implement, I think it was at the EVE ten years anniversary Fanfest, then they forgot about it. Classic CCP

Evil RatKid
Solecist Project
#49 - 2015-12-21 11:25:51 UTC

I believe giving the vetgender spacists a dedicated station is OUTRAGOUS!
How dare the veterenarians to d3mand space for themselves!

We are people too! We demand a station specifically for new players only
and a dedicated station for each year of playing, because we deserve that!!

Down with the Veteraniarchy !!!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#50 - 2015-12-21 11:36:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
A perfect example of a demagogue. I mean, really? did you even think before posting this?
Are you asking me or yourself? Your argument certainly doesn't feel very thought-through. Again, you haven't really presented any reason why old players should be granted this unnecessary advantage other than a reason that applies equally well to a category of players that would be far better served by receiving it.

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So since there is not two characters exactly the same and we are all unique, then I should ask also for something to every one?
By your reasoning of honouring the exceptional, yes.

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I asked to create a game mechanic that would give them the plex out of thin air.
…and provided no sensible reason why such a massive disruption should be allowed to happen.

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EVE is a war game.
That's a very good point. Unfortunately, it's a point against your idea as previously described.

A reason for a reward is gratitude and recognition. From the point of view of a software product is the input back to those who believed in the product and didnt turn it back. Is like when you buy the ham registry number one million and they give you a trip to Mallorca. You may find it excessive, I could understand that but your pretended blindness to reasons dont seem to me a valid point. Seems CCP has already agreed they deserve something. I didnt know until this post but it tends to agree those pioneers deserve somehow a type of distinction. So the reason of why old players should be granted a reward has been presented implicitly and explicitly.

You call my proposal an unfair advantage. I see that as they would not have to spend resources in PLEX while they instead would use isk to advance further in whatever area. Well EVE is a game of unfair advantages if you want to look at it that way. It is unfair that you fight me while you have more skill points or is unfair that I fight you with more dps or a bigger fleet. Still your point does not seem to tune into a less advantageous reward nor in negotiating what would be more proportionate reward. Instead you focused into making it unreasonable even to consider these players are special at all or deserve any kind of reward at all.

In a sophistic way you try to misshape the relation between exceptions that deserve rewards with all exceptions. I say in a sophistic way because I dont believe you dont know the difference.

Now you are failing to explain why EVE being a war game would come against my point of rewarding veterans and/or sending them a wink to make them feel appreciated in a hope for they stay with us many more years.

Lastly I dont see explanation either in your affirmation of "massive disruption" in PLEXing a dozen (or two) of players.

We could go forever into the analysis word-by-word, definition by definition of what you said Vs. what you meant but that only divert us from the point I was trying to present here. Your opinion has been expressed and I thank you for that.

What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#51 - 2015-12-21 11:43:47 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

I believe giving the vetgender spacists a dedicated station is OUTRAGOUS!
How dare the veterenarians to d3mand space for themselves!

We are people too! We demand a station specifically for new players only
and a dedicated station for each year of playing, because we deserve that!!

Down with the Veteraniarchy !!!


I think a station... no, a system for new players would also make sense. One for each race, but not because of deserving but for your own protection. Now this is going off topic but I wouldnt mind to discus it in another thread. Is it thread a cool word... I wonder.

What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#52 - 2015-12-21 11:50:15 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
For someone who doesn't have, as he stated, a personal interest in it he sure tries very hard. I wonder why that is. Also if you're that dumb and still lead a corp of other people then that's generally not a good sign.


Intellect is invisible to the man who has none (Schopenhauer).

What did you say about CODE?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#53 - 2015-12-21 12:01:58 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
A reason for a reward is gratitude and recognition.
…which they need because…?
And again, why do you want the devs to do that when you can provide it perfectly yourself?

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You call my proposal an unfair advantage. I see that as they would not have to spend resources in PLEX while they instead would use isk to advance further in whatever area.
That makes it an unfair advantage. They are given something for nothing, and this directly translates into an in-game advantage — one that they need less than anyone else.

EVE is not a game of unfair advantages — it's one of whatever advantage you can carve out for yourself. Everyone has the opportunity and tools to make them, which makes it a remarkably fair system. If that's not how you gain the advantage — if it is indeed unfair — it is pretty much universally called an exploit and gets you banned in short order. Dev favouritism once plagued the game and became such a burden that CCP had to institute a panel of player representative to try ot placate the massive outrage this caused.

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In a sophistic way you try to misshape the relation between exceptions that deserve rewards with all exceptions.
No. I am simply using your utter lack of coherent logic to demonstrate its absurd consequences, thereby showing that you haven't thought your idea through and that the reasoning behind it is nonsensical.

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Now you are failing to explain why EVE being a war game would come against my point of rewarding veterans
…except, of course, that I did describe it. You were just incapable of actually addressing the point made.
Solecist Project
#54 - 2015-12-21 12:23:20 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
For someone who doesn't have, as he stated, a personal interest in it he sure tries very hard. I wonder why that is. Also if you're that dumb and still lead a corp of other people then that's generally not a good sign.


Intellect is invisible to the man who has none (Schopenhauer).

Don't insult yourself.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#55 - 2015-12-21 13:20:23 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
A reason for a reward is gratitude and recognition.
…which they need because…?
And again, why do you want the devs to do that when you can provide it perfectly yourself?

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You call my proposal an unfair advantage. I see that as they would not have to spend resources in PLEX while they instead would use isk to advance further in whatever area.
That makes it an unfair advantage. They are given something for nothing, and this directly translates into an in-game advantage — one that they need less than anyone else.

EVE is not a game of unfair advantages — it's one of whatever advantage you can carve out for yourself. Everyone has the opportunity and tools to make them, which makes it a remarkably fair system. If that's not how you gain the advantage — if it is indeed unfair — it is pretty much universally called an exploit and gets you banned in short order. Dev favouritism once plagued the game and became such a burden that CCP had to institute a panel of player representative to try ot placate the massive outrage this caused.

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In a sophistic way you try to misshape the relation between exceptions that deserve rewards with all exceptions.
No. I am simply using your utter lack of coherent logic to demonstrate its absurd consequences, thereby showing that you haven't thought your idea through and that the reasoning behind it is nonsensical.

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Now you are failing to explain why EVE being a war game would come against my point of rewarding veterans
…except, of course, that I did describe it. You were just incapable of actually addressing the point made.


I didnt say they need it I said it would be a nice gesture from the game to them that I would support. I cannot provide a plex per month per Beta timer, nor create a unique item or feature in game. Developers could. I dont know why you say I could do it perfectly myself. You are making no sense here.

You insist in repeating the "something for nothing". You said that before and I said I desagree and seems CCP also disagrees as they were considering a station or something therefor they also think like me they deserve something for something. This point is being said too many times.

You also insist that not exceptional situation deserves reward for being exceptional unless all exceptional situations deserve reward as if all exceptional situations would be the same under the tag "exceptional" not looking into what kind of exceptional deserves reward or not. You insist in my view of reward this exceptional would necessarily force me to admit rewards of all exceptionalism and that is absurd. You should get this, it is pretty simple.

You ask for reasons of what is being explained as if I lack of reason of what I am asking while you refuse to explain your conclusions as if I were in fault for not grasping the obvious. Seems your rules dont apply to yourself when asking to clarifications while giving none yourself. Once again proving your speech is mere sophism and pure demagogy. You would understand I shall not replay over and over the off topic spiral of nonsense you are driving the topic. Again you monopolize the debate and add nothing to the matter.

What did you say about CODE?
Solecist Project
#56 - 2015-12-21 13:24:45 UTC
What matter would that be?

You mean that you pretend to want something for others ...
... without telling us your true motivations?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#57 - 2015-12-21 13:44:27 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
What matter would that be?

You mean that you pretend to want something for others ...
... without telling us your true motivations?



Why you doubt my motivations? Is that hard for you to believe a non-selfish idea can exist? How sad. Can I ask your motivations also? Why do you insult? Why do you participate in a forum to troll? Why you push in the direction for this reward never happen? Do you enjoy smiles or tears? Never mind I really dont want to know.

What did you say about CODE?
lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
#58 - 2015-12-21 13:46:33 UTC
The Volition Cult is strong in the OP.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2015-12-21 14:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DHuncan wrote:
I didnt say they need it I said it would be a nice gesture from the game to them that I would support.
In other words, there's no particular reason to do so.

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I cannot provide a plex per month per Beta timer, nor create a unique item or feature in game.
You can trivially provide the gratitude and recognition you think they've somehow deserved. No need to get developers involved. If you feel so strongly that they should be honoured and recognised, then honour and recognise them. Don't ask for hand-outs.

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You insist in repeating the "something for nothing".
…because you're suggesting that they'd be given something for nothing. And yes, being entertained for 12 years is indeed nothing — especially as far as being a rationale for handing out rewards goes. CCP does not disagree on this point since they're not actually handing out anything.

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You also insist that not exceptional situation deserves reward for being exceptional unless all exceptional situations deserve reward
No. I'm simply using your attempt at reasoning to prove that it's not actually a valid reason since it's just a meaningless platitude. Hence why I'm saying that there's no reason for the ridiculous hand-outs you're proposing.

And that's the simple fact of it: you haven't provided a good reason why the people who need an economic advantage the least should be given yet another one. You haven't even grasped what it is you're asking for. The reason why it is an advantage and why it is a bad idea has been explained to you, and no amount of rabid refusal to acknowledge this on your part will actually change this fact, nor does it address the points made in those explanations.
Solecist Project
#60 - 2015-12-21 14:34:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
DHuncan wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
What matter would that be?

You mean that you pretend to want something for others ...
... without telling us your true motivations?



Why you doubt my motivations? Is that hard for you to believe a non-selfish idea can exist? How sad. Can I ask your motivations also? Why do you insult? Why do you participate in a forum to troll? Why you push in the direction for this reward never happen? Do you enjoy smiles or tears? Never mind I really dont want to know.

Because you're not selfless.
Telling me I'm trolling just proves further that you aren't legit.
I do not push, I oppose your selfishness and lack of honesty.

And then first you ask questions and then you say you don't want to know.

Cognitive dissonance or just self righteous?
Passive aggressive? Pseudo wannabe good person?


You're not honest, so you get no support.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia