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The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#21 - 2015-12-21 01:55:53 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:

Without the need for ammunition you have insane cargo capacity (even more than most of the Marauders).


The Bigpuns wrote:

And marauders have nearly double the cargo capacity of the Nestor (if you're using more than 100m3 of space for ammo in your marauder, please do it better)


Arthur Aihaken wrote:

50% more cargo space is not "nearly double" - it's just over 50% more. And when I say 50% more, I'm referring to the Paladin. All the other Marauders have less cargo space than the Nestor once you load any reasonable quantity of ammunition


Shocked I would hate to see what you call a "reasonable quantity of ammo that takes up 500m3 of space, but even so, your original point is just plain ol' false. Paladin has 100m3 of space less than eg. a Golem, and I never put that much ammo in a ship that doesn't need to use much ammo.


The Bigpuns wrote:

Warp speed only makes much of a difference when blitzing, a situation not suited to the Nestor.


Arthur Aihaken wrote:

Says who? The Nestor can almost reach the same speed as the Machariel, and the faster align time offsets this somewhat.


I will let you fit up a blitzing Nestor and come back and post one of your ISK/hr threads. I thought it was obvious why it wouldn't be well suited to that particular tactic. May Anize would be a better person to talk to.

Look. You CAN run missions in a Nestor. You CAN shield tank it and fill the lows with damage mods. But do that, and compare that fit (or any other) to a similarly fit RS, and it loses out on everything but mobility. Honestly, a domi with a rack of small ac's in the highs would do it better, than trying to make a dedicated drone boat out of these other two, cos that's what it's designed for. Don't get me wrong, your rlml fit will work, but it's not the best these ships can do.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#22 - 2015-12-21 02:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
The Bigpuns wrote:
Shocked I would hate to see what you call a "reasonable quantity of ammo that takes up 500m3 of space, but even so, your original point is just plain ol' false. Paladin has 100m3 of space less than eg. a Golem, and I never put that much ammo in a ship that doesn't need to use much ammo.

I never said a 'reasonable' quantity of ammunition would take up the entire cargo hold. The Nestor has 700m3 cargo space vs. 665m3 for the Rattlesnake. The Nestor will use effectively zero space with a laser fit; the Rattlesnake will use 200m3 or more for various types of missile ammunition.

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I will let you fit up a blitzing Nestor and come back and post one of your ISK/hr threads. I thought it was obvious why it wouldn't be well suited to that particular tactic. May Anize would be a better person to talk to.

Anything that can get to and from the mission as well as complete it in a timely manner works - that includes Marauders if one is so inclined (you can easily get over 6 AU/s without difficulty). Machariel DPS may be 1300 on paper, but at 60km it's going to be around the same as that from a Nestor, Marauder, etc. The Machariel is relatively cheap compared to a Nestor or Marauder, hence one reason for the popularity (and it looks cool).

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Look. You CAN run missions in a Nestor. You CAN shield tank it and fill the lows with damage mods. But do that, and compare that fit (or any other) to a similarly fit RS, and it loses out on everything but mobility. Honestly, a domi with a rack of small ac's in the highs would do it better, than trying to make a dedicated drone boat out of these other two, cos that's what it's designed for. Don't get me wrong, your rlml fit will work, but it's not the best these ships can do.

Yes, I realize a RLML fit isn't ideal for a Rattlesnake. Joe wanted a drone-specific setup and I merely suggested the RLMLs for pest control. Most players run cruise missiles or some garish torpedo-Gecko fit on the Rattlesnake - and they're doing it all wrong. Here's the perfect Rattlesnake setup for mission running:

5x Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Infero and Scourge auto-targeting heavy missiles
1x Drone Link Augmentor II
2x Garde II, 2x Warden II, 2x Curator II

1x Faction or Deadspace MWD (I prefer this over MJD)
2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, optimal range script
4x Shield tank (player preference)

2x Faction Drone Damage Amplifier
1x Drone Damage Amplifier II
2x Faction Ballistic Control
1x Missile Guidance Enhancer II

2x Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
1x Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

High-grade Ascendancy implants, WS-615 and Zainou MP-705, GP-805, TN-805 and RL-1005.

Focus the drones on Battleships and let the rapid heavy missile launchers take care of everything else. With full V skills you should have a 85km+ range with drones and missiles.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-12-21 03:01:59 UTC
Not quite sure what the cargo space issue is about. No sane person loots level IVs nor is it that practical to use auxiliary reppers and hence need to carry a ton of cap boosters in PvE.

So far as the Nestor goes - unless you own several and are spider tanking I just do not see it being applicable to efficient hisec missioning.

Then again if you really are not that concerned with ISK per hour and just want to run a Nestor and full loot (perhaps for Hipster street cred?) it will certainly get the job done albeit not optimally.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#24 - 2015-12-21 03:13:34 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not quite sure what the cargo space issue is about. No sane person loots level IVs nor is it that practical to use auxiliary reppers and hence need to carry a ton of cap boosters in PvE.

So far as the Nestor goes - unless you own several and are spider tanking I just do not see it being applicable to efficient hisec missioning.

Then again if you really are not that concerned with ISK per hour and just want to run a Nestor and full loot (perhaps for Hipster street cred?) it will certainly get the job done albeit not optimally.

Not true at all. There are several missions worth looting and a few that are an absolute must. Just off the top of my head...

• Beserk, Damsel - 10m+ ISK (I've got as high as 25m on Damsel, but that's rare)
• Zazzmatazz, Damsel - potential 65m ISK implant drop
• Dread Scarlet - 8.5m ISK implant drop
• Angels Extravaganza - 5-10m ISK implant drop
• Enemies Abound series - 185m ISK loot/tag drop

If I was so inclined (and had the drone skills to go along with it), I would definitely use Nestors. As it is, my characters are all missile-based - so I tend to lean in that direction (and I'm a missile whore, to put it bluntly).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-12-21 04:08:53 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Not quite sure what the cargo space issue is about. No sane person loots level IVs nor is it that practical to use auxiliary reppers and hence need to carry a ton of cap boosters in PvE.

So far as the Nestor goes - unless you own several and are spider tanking I just do not see it being applicable to efficient hisec missioning.

Then again if you really are not that concerned with ISK per hour and just want to run a Nestor and full loot (perhaps for Hipster street cred?) it will certainly get the job done albeit not optimally.

Not true at all. There are several missions worth looting and a few that are an absolute must. Just off the top of my head...

• Beserk, Damsel - 10m+ ISK (I've got as high as 25m on Damsel, but that's rare)
• Zazzmatazz, Damsel - potential 65m ISK implant drop
• Dread Scarlet - 8.5m ISK implant drop
• Angels Extravaganza - 5-10m ISK implant drop
• Enemies Abound series - 185m ISK loot/tag drop

If I was so inclined (and had the drone skills to go along with it), I would definitely use Nestors. As it is, my characters are all missile-based - so I tend to lean in that direction (and I'm a missile whore, to put it bluntly).


Same here on the missile aspect. I can use all t2 missiles and have the specializations at 4, with all the support skills at 5.
However, I've mostly just been looking for easy mode.

Believe it or not, and fof Golem is surprisingly effective.. No targeting delay or target swapping delay.
You may have waisted volleys, but fofs are quite cheap, especially if you produce your own.
You'll still need to carry some fury for structure bashing, but it's kinda entertaining watching the field get cleared with no input and they have a counter effect of not drawing aggro..
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#26 - 2015-12-21 04:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Joe Risalo wrote:
Same here on the missile aspect. I can use all t2 missiles and have the specializations at 4, with all the support skills at 5. However, I've mostly just been looking for easy mode.

Believe it or not, and fof Golem is surprisingly effective.. No targeting delay or target swapping delay.
You may have waisted volleys, but fofs are quite cheap, especially if you produce your own.
You'll still need to carry some fury for structure bashing, but it's kinda entertaining watching the field get cleared with no input and they have a counter effect of not drawing aggro..

Barghest RHML x5. It's quite the sight clearing Guristas Assault in under 5 minutes flat...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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