Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Further, a cloaked ship at a safe is absolutely safe....but so is any ratter. Because cloaks do zero DPS. He is safe, you are safe. Every post you have made arguing this point revolves around the possibility that he may not be AFK and that he may attack at his leisure. This is where determining if he is AFK or not comes in. If you can asses a high probability he is AFK the your risk is commensuratly lower as well.

Future structures may allow finding cloaked ships, but at the same time intel and local in particular need to also be vulnerable as well. Insisting one side face additional risk while you do not is unreasonable. Especially given the advantage local gives against active hunters.

He can't deal with your self-serving nonsense, false dichotomies, etc.? Well...why should he deal with stuff that is, when you get right down to it, is dishonest?

Exactly. That's also the beauty of it. I'm sure we'll manage whatever CCP comes up with, but this is indeed the one true guerillia module. It gives you the power to pick your fights; to shoot first. Sucks to be the other guy, for sure -- but I have the feeling the problem is somewhat exaggerated.

Perhaps not my most valuable contribution to this thread, but still worth noting... I'm surprised nobody complains about non-AFK cloakers for they gain the exact same benefit.

Seems like it only gets tedious after prolonged duration, and that's (imho of course) because people are okay to wait it out for a little while, but they do not want to make structural changes to the way they go about their business.

I do like the way you can threaten a system with a decoy while the bulk of your power is elsewhere. And I do like the a-symmetic character of sneaking a hit-and-run fleet behind enemy lines. Because sometimes the enemy has far greater number than you do and you'd still like to come out and play. Without recons, or with scannable cloaks, you're going to have real difficulties threatening the Big Guys; and you know what? They'll get bored to tears.

From a tyrannical empire-building point of view absolute security may sound marvellous; but having to worry about things and having to put up home defense fleets is part of the fun.

Yeah I admit, it must get really annoying when the same guy is sitting there, undoubtedly AFK, for weeks on end. But that's all it really is: a nuissance. I pity the guy wasting a perfectly good toon just sitting there, more than I pity the guy who doesn't dare to undock because of him.

Well, that depends on how exactly they intend to implement the scanning of cloaked ships, and whether or not you'll get an exact fix on a location or more like 'somewhere nearby'.

Undocking is only counterproductive if you have no Leeroy Jenkins in your blood. Otherwise, I find it quite entertaining :-) Yes I lost my Scythe Fleet Issue to a Loki. But hey! I also shot a Tengu Or are we supposed to only pick fights we know beforehand we'll win?

Oh well. I'll leave you guys to the debate. Until CCP lifts a tip of the veil, we don't really know anything. Unless one of you knows something I don't?

No, I'm suggesting that you think such a thing is true is ludicrous, and that you're both self serving losers trying to get rid of any uncertainty in your gameplay.

It's never been about me. The entire thread is about people like you, people who claim that tears about something equates to the mechanic being broken.

It doesn't.

The game is not broken because you lose. The game is not broken because you can't have your unbalanced isk printing machine at the same time as being perfectly safe. The game is not broken because risk vs reward applies to your obscene farming.

And the game is not broken because cloaking devices function as they are supposed to.

Get right or get gone. If you can't deal with other people in local, then you don't belong in nullsec.

And you're projecting like Supreme Leader Snoke.




So, not me, but just you two?

Because that's what you're both arguing for here, and Mike's even admitted it more than once. The right to rat without any uncertainty or risk whatsoever.

That would be regrettable. Having to bounce between safes is not my idea of stealth, and it'd utterly screw non-covops of any kind. I do hope CCP reconsiders the mechanic towards vague indications, rather than pinpoint probes..... But yea, we'll see. No use panicing just yet.



Absolutely! Remember my post earlier, about target delays and DScanning? If despite that you still get caught - repeatedly I should add - I can totally understand those people get kicked. Rightly so.



Pretty much why even when PvE'ing, Teckos, Mag's, (not to mention The Wraithguard as a whole) urge Mike to fit for bear. Because the bear is real It's ... part of the fun in NS. For some, that is. No such thing as pure PvE -- that's what HS is for.

Damn, that was a mighty fine retort. I now consider myself well and truly burnt. Remarkable sir.
Pray tell, did it take long for you to arrive at such a fine use of the English language?

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People are not thinking it through.

The only thing getting scanned down really means is you turn cloaky camping into kiting duels. Say you are a cap stable cloaky camper burning at 4000 m/s. What happens if someone gets scans you down where you were? Well, they try to chase you down with a few speed tanked frigates. So you get to kite them for a bit after you voluntarily decloak and when you get bored, or they get close, you warp away. Or warp away immediately if you would rather do that. Or log off for a bit. Whatever. Its not like you were doing anything important in that system that keeps you from logging off. The only fight you get is one you want.

Its not dangerous. Unless you are afk.

Teckos et al want many things. Their wishes are irrelevant.

The only real question is if 4/4 will remain true. The answer to that is no.