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Sonne7
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-12-20 07:54:22 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
No ones bothered to point out yet that code always wins?


I believe code lost on Friday evening, from reports it seems a well planned AG fleet stopped a code gank dead in its tracks, with ew sniping and smart bomb attack, one or two ganker got picked off at the gates on the way to their target, freighter was at 80% hull after the attack, a small AG rep fleet fixed her up and off she went.

Total code fail.

Join in and help save more ships

Also a big shout out to AG anti-bumpers who helped save a freighter on the same night, every action makes it a little bit harder for them to gank
Vanilla Mooses
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-12-20 08:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanilla Mooses
Sonne7 wrote:

Also a big shout out to AG anti-bumpers who helped save a freighter on the same night, every action makes it a little bit harder for them to gank


As a gank FC, I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. We don't even notice you are there unless you are within about 5,000m of the target we just killed, at which point (if time permits) we might shoot at you, but that's the same treatment anyone else would get. At most, the only real impact that "anti-ganking" has is giving us something to giggle about while we wait for a criminal timer to expire or our next target to be bumped and ready. You could all give up tomorrow and go do something else, or spend every moment trying to stop us, it makes no difference.

Even if you somehow managed to "save" a freighter, there are always fifty more on autopilot, loaded with billions of ISK in loot, totally AFK.

Perhaps you should ask yourself a question - why are so few players involved in "anti-ganking", and why are there only a couple of them who have shown they even understand basic game mechanics? Why do trillions of ISK worth of freighters get ganked every single week in the same system, time and time again? Why, in years of operation, do your rebel leaders keep quitting the game, leaving for other things and giving up? Once you can answer those questions, you might be able to start yourself on a path that actually leads to real results.

Of course, this whole problem could be solved if all freighter pilots simply followed the New Halaima Code of Conduct. If you want to have a serious impact on ganking, you'd do well to become a agent of the New Order and do your part to stamp out those who break the law. The only way you will achieve any type of victory is to address the root of the problem, which of course is bot-aspirant players.

Edit: Spelling, and a fix to a broken quote tag.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#43 - 2015-12-20 08:20:27 UTC
I wasn't paying very much attention to his post, to be honest.
Sonne7
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2015-12-20 08:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonne7
Vanilla Mooses wrote:
Sonne7 wrote:

Also a big shout out to AG anti-bumpers who helped save a freighter on the same night, every action makes it a little bit harder for them to gank


As a gank FC, I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. We don't even notice you are there unless you are within about 5,000m of the target we just killed, at which point (if time permits) we might shoot at you, but that's the same treatment anyone else would get. At most, the only real impact that "anti-ganking" has is giving us something to giggle about while we wait for a criminal timer to expire or our next target to be bumped and ready. You could all give up tomorrow and go do something else, or spend every moment trying to stop us, it makes no difference.

Even if you somehow managed to "save" a freighter, there are always fifty more on autopilot, loaded with billions of ISK in loot, totally AFK.

Perhaps you should ask yourself a question - why are so few players involved in "anti-ganking", and why are there only a couple of them who have shown they even understand basic game mechanics? Why do trillions of ISK worth of freighters get ganked every single week in the same system, time and time again? Why, in years of operation, do your rebel leaders keep quitting the game, leaving for other things and giving up? Once you can answer those questions, you might be able to start yourself on a path that actually leads to real results.

Of course, this whole problem could be solved if all freighter pilots simply followed the New Halaima Code of Conduct. If you want to have a serious impact on ganking, you'd do well to become a agent of the New Order and do your part to stamp out those who break the law. The only way you will achieve any type of victory is to address the root of the problem, which of course is bot-aspirant players.

Edit: Spelling, and a fix to a broken quote tag.


I just can't play eve non stop with work and stuff, wish I could.

I bet the FC of the fail gank noticed AG shame I missed it, and yet I do understand your need to cover your fails up but let's move on
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#45 - 2015-12-20 11:15:00 UTC
That "bot-aspirant" thing is tired, old, and sad. If you want to seriously hurt bots, get them banned. They need a skill sheet to do the things bots do, and if the characters with the skill sheets go poof, they're back to nothing.

If laziness is what drives them to bot, they won't be back for round two.

A signature :o

Avi Shekelstien
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-12-20 20:32:22 UTC
So, has the revolution started? Has james315 been lynched by an obelisk through uedama? Or is it another anti ganker crying "can't someone else do it?"
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#47 - 2015-12-20 21:06:28 UTC
I gotta admit, I took a peek on being a white knight and all, jamming catalysts (Actually, WD worked way better), suicide webbing ships and stuff, but it's all boiled down to sitting hours doing nothing with occasional attempt to prevent death with many people not even realizing it, not caring and being very rude when you gave them advises.
I spent quite some time offering free Orca boosts, too. Guess what? The only gratitude I got is blames for me not boosting the days I wasn't on keyboard. Yep.
I spent some time on sexy ore buybacks giving me 1.5% margin. I was being blamed for ripping "poor miners" off.
Then I came to conclusion that average victim is filthy dumb egoistic animal with ragequit being another great victory not for the highsec only, but for EVE as a whole.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-12-20 23:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgan Agrivar
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
I gotta admit, I took a peek on being a white knight and all, jamming catalysts (Actually, WD worked way better), suicide webbing ships and stuff, but it's all boiled down to sitting hours doing nothing with occasional attempt to prevent death with many people not even realizing it, not caring and being very rude when you gave them advises.
I spent quite some time offering free Orca boosts, too. Guess what? The only gratitude I got is blames for me not boosting the days I wasn't on keyboard. Yep.
I spent some time on sexy ore buybacks giving me 1.5% margin. I was being blamed for ripping "poor miners" off.
Then I came to conclusion that average victim is filthy dumb egoistic animal with ragequit being another great victory not for the highsec only, but for EVE as a whole.

Before I ventured out into lowsec to give faction warfare a try, I spent about two months helping newbies fly through that bottleneck, warning people through private messaging that CODE was on the other side. Most of the time I was ignored and rarely was thanked for giving them vital information that could have saved their freighter. Over the course of that time, I came to the same conclusion. Why should I protect these idiots from a fate that would better serve Eve as a whole?

Then loyalnon asked my lowsec corp if we wanted to gank these freighters one day. I was honestly curious so I went ahead and joined their fleet...and had a blast. That is what led me to highsec wardecs and the fun I get out of hunting these people. Eve is a PvP game with mining in it, not the other way around. Once you understand that, then you will get somewhere in the game.

I have no sympathy for miners who get ganked repeatedly in horrible fit Retrievers and then start to cry in local. They deserve that fate if they refuse to learn. That is why I am against any nerfs that would aim to protect them even more than they are now.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#49 - 2015-12-21 01:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Until you spend time shooting carebears it's difficult to understand how much some of them really deserve it.

On the whole they're really ignorant, self interested players with a massive sense of entitlement. All they want is to play the game in the most uninvolved way they possibly can with no goal beyond increasing the quantity of isk they have. They don't want an interesting or exciting game experience, they don't want to produce or be involved in player driven content, hell most of them don't even want to communicate with other players (except of course to brag about how much isk they have, which is usually a pittance).

They aren't players that deserve sympathy or mercy, they're passive participants in the game world, the least valuable kind of player in regards to the health of the game. The pinnacle of their EVE careers is the brief moment in which they die in a fire to an actively participating, content creating player.

The sole value they have in the game is as fodder for others.
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#50 - 2015-12-21 03:53:06 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The sole value they have in the game is as fodder for others.


Well said.

Without them hisec mercs wouldn't exist, so its a chicken & egg thing too for you lot.

@JerryTPepridge

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#51 - 2015-12-21 04:06:31 UTC
Some carebears are literally no good for anything but shooting at. The kind that literally refuse to interact with other players.

There is however the less carebeary variety that mercenaries have a more involved relationship with. The kind who interact with other players but don't really like to take action themselves. These people get in yelling matches with eachother over who gets to mine this ice belt or who has the blingest mission boat then, because they aren't willing to put themselves at risk, hire mercenaries to shoot the other guy. That guy then hires mercenaries to protect him from the nasty people who are shooting him, or to go after the person he suspects of hiring them. Without these carebears the highsec mercenary community wouldn't have very much to do.

Those carebears are fine, regardless of whether or not they do the shooting themselves their actions are driving conflict and creating content in the game. It's the other kind that are deplorable dregs.
HoleySheet1
Deep-Fried Prawns with Lemon
#52 - 2015-12-21 13:09:59 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Some carebears are literally no good for anything but shooting at. The kind that literally refuse to interact with other players.

There is however the less carebeary variety that mercenaries have a more involved relationship with. The kind who interact with other players but don't really like to take action themselves. These people get in yelling matches with eachother over who gets to mine this ice belt or who has the blingest mission boat then, because they aren't willing to put themselves at risk, hire mercenaries to shoot the other guy. That guy then hires mercenaries to protect him from the nasty people who are shooting him, or to go after the person he suspects of hiring them. Without these carebears the highsec mercenary community wouldn't have very much to do.

Those carebears are fine, regardless of whether or not they do the shooting themselves their actions are driving conflict and creating content in the game. It's the other kind that are deplorable dregs.


Tldr rubbish coming from you, as usual. Try harder, write a few more paragraphs next time.

Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better.

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#53 - 2015-12-21 14:24:43 UTC
HoleySheet1 wrote:
theusualdrivel



Why Vimsy.

I do believe he wants some attention.

*gets popcorn*

Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Solecist Project
#54 - 2015-12-21 15:38:59 UTC
Sonne7 wrote:
Vanilla Mooses wrote:
Sonne7 wrote:

Also a big shout out to AG anti-bumpers who helped save a freighter on the same night, every action makes it a little bit harder for them to gank


As a gank FC, I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. We don't even notice you are there unless you are within about 5,000m of the target we just killed, at which point (if time permits) we might shoot at you, but that's the same treatment anyone else would get. At most, the only real impact that "anti-ganking" has is giving us something to giggle about while we wait for a criminal timer to expire or our next target to be bumped and ready. You could all give up tomorrow and go do something else, or spend every moment trying to stop us, it makes no difference.

Even if you somehow managed to "save" a freighter, there are always fifty more on autopilot, loaded with billions of ISK in loot, totally AFK.

Perhaps you should ask yourself a question - why are so few players involved in "anti-ganking", and why are there only a couple of them who have shown they even understand basic game mechanics? Why do trillions of ISK worth of freighters get ganked every single week in the same system, time and time again? Why, in years of operation, do your rebel leaders keep quitting the game, leaving for other things and giving up? Once you can answer those questions, you might be able to start yourself on a path that actually leads to real results.

Of course, this whole problem could be solved if all freighter pilots simply followed the New Halaima Code of Conduct. If you want to have a serious impact on ganking, you'd do well to become a agent of the New Order and do your part to stamp out those who break the law. The only way you will achieve any type of victory is to address the root of the problem, which of course is bot-aspirant players.

Edit: Spelling, and a fix to a broken quote tag.


I just can't play eve non stop with work and stuff, wish I could.

I bet the FC of the fail gank noticed AG shame I missed it, and yet I do understand your need to cover your fails up but let's move on

You're delusional if you think Mooses needs to cover up anything ...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#55 - 2015-12-21 15:57:49 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
HoleySheet1 wrote:
theusualdrivel



Why Vimsy.

I do believe he wants some attention.

*gets popcorn*

Bear

He's just mad that he can't string two coherent sentences together.
Solecist Project
#56 - 2015-12-21 17:20:01 UTC
VV ... today I've read isomewhere here that it was BAW that killed RvB.

Any written down stories to read about that? :D

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#57 - 2015-12-21 17:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia
Solecist Project wrote:
VV ... today I've read isomewhere here that it was BAW that killed RvB.

Any written down stories to read about that? :D


I doubt my words will be viewed as 100% accurate as I am biased. And by the end I will plug the rebirth of RvB. Still, to say that BAW killed RvB is not accurate either. Final nail in the coffin that lead to ceasing of operations yes, but that form of RvB was already hurting. Activity had been on a steady decline and far too much management was thrust upon too few shoulders. Eventually those shoulders became burnt out.

I mean BAW was not responsible for us not even making an advert for the last alliance tournament and since we did not make the free draw, we lost the free publicity there. BAW did not lead to Mangala's ganked dwindling after he left and RvB losing that form of advertising. Nor was BAW responsible for us having issues with whether to cater to newer players at the expense of some vets or the opposite that lead to internal drama. Plus BAW wasn't responsible for the steady decline of high sec POCO income starting since last January or the drop in overall RvB kills for the same time period that lead us to relocate nor did that relocation help as hoped.

This is not to discount BAW, they were the first to notice our decline and to attack our POCO empire (i believe the more lucrative were given to Brave before BAW could take them). They did also bring fleets that outclassed much of what we could muster in our dwindling state. They were quite formidable. I know if I wanted someone in hi sec to hurt, I would hire BAW. But to make an analogy, was it the Visigoths that destroyed the Roman empire or were they just the first ones to sack the capital of a dying empire? Same with BAW and RvB at the time.

That said, we ain't dead yet. We may have lost our income, but prior to POCOs ae had no income and held a 100k FFA. We are still going now with planned fights, roams, and the usual constant fighting that is RvB. Plus without as much admin troubles, more of the people who helped make RvB work behind the scenes can get out and pew now. Are we as big as we once were? No. Are we rising again, trying to fill the niche of fun fast pew needed in this era of entios links, yes! So join us for some fun fast pew! (told you I would make a recruitment plug).

Edited to add: also much love to all the RvB members who did try to fight BAW. Props to BAW for bring good fights. And props and thanks to all who made RvB work before this, those who worked hard to make sure we survived the transition, and tho those pushing forward!
HoleySheet1
Deep-Fried Prawns with Lemon
#58 - 2015-12-21 19:23:27 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
HoleySheet1 wrote:
theusualdrivel



Why Vimsy.

I do believe he wants some attention.

*gets popcorn*

Bear

He's just mad that he can't string two coherent sentences together.


Negative, I just think you're an idiot worthy of pity. Others may stroke your ego...not sure why. Explain please, and keep it short ffs.

Killing your ships and pods since 2008. Killboards don't lie, Don't get mad, get better.

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#59 - 2015-12-21 19:59:23 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
This is not to discount BAW, they were the first to notice our decline and to attack our POCO empire (i believe the more lucrative were given to Brave before BAW could take them). They did also bring fleets that outclassed much of what we could muster in our dwindling state. They were quite formidable. I know if I wanted someone in hi sec to hurt, I would hire BAW. But to make an analogy, was it the Visigoths that destroyed the Roman empire or were they just the first ones to sack the capital of a dying empire? Same with BAW and RvB at the time.

We took them from Brave. Their effort to defend them didn't last long and was frankly worse than RVBs, we actually lost stuff to RVB, Brave literally didn't cause more than 25% armor damage to a single ship.

But yes it was apparent that RVB was in a pretty sorry state when we went to war with them, and a combination of low activity and absolutely horrifying leadership meant suddenly coming up against an outside aggressor that is actually competent was the spark that provoked all the debacle where the entire leadership jumped ship and announced RVB was dead.

Also for the record Shenanigansbus and Rooney are thoroughly cancerous individuals.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#60 - 2015-12-22 03:57:34 UTC
Yes lets do this, lets all wardec CODE.Twisted
THAT WILL TEACH THEM

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