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Solecist Project
#81 - 2015-12-20 10:37:16 UTC
Tardbar is such a troll ...
... and you people are so weak. Roll

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Roberta Gastoni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2015-12-20 13:14:58 UTC
The worst carebear in eve is the forum warrior, equipped with rapid heavy trolling posts.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#83 - 2015-12-20 13:20:05 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
... So yea, I carebear in that I am very good at avoiding pvp usually. But I'm not against it, I'm not afraid of it. I just suck at it. But I don't avoid risk, rather I seek it out. ...
You and I are very much alike in play style Big smile

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2015-12-20 13:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: W33b3l
Omg lol

The definition of a carebear is as simple as this.

Someone that plays a multiplayer game who avoids situations where another player could force an unwanted interaction at all times.
Memphis Baas
#85 - 2015-12-20 15:24:28 UTC
Even "good fight" can be made sarcastic or derogatory, and EVE has a lot of psychological warfare encapsulating the actual pew pew.

So yeah, in theory "carebear" is about attitude towards the game, and in practice you shouldn't care what other people think or say, because attacking your confidence with slurs and derision is the first thing everyone does.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2015-12-20 15:58:26 UTC
Every single player in EVE is a carebear. To sum it up, so long as they can calculate the adversity of the risk with isk...they are avoiding real risk (EVE fitting programs). Most ganks, cheap fit frigates, that kind of thing. Now if CCP could just reinstate skill point loss, remove pods and POP! from going through structure with a new clone appearing in home station...then you could fix that of avoidance to risk. Biggest risk is the investment of time and paid subscription, unable to recoup that quickly you now have to get that level 5 back Twisted

tl;dr : Skillpoints, highest value. Remove the ability to calculate the cost of a ship and now you don't have to worry about fitting it cheap as someone will cheap shitfit a destroyer or bring friends to ruin your day with an alpha loaded drive bye.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#87 - 2015-12-20 15:58:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I suppose we can say you are indecisive and refuse to take a side in the carebear versus hardcore aspect of EVE.
Nope. That's just yet another deeply ignorant strawman you've drawn up because your previous pathetic attempts failed as spectacularly as this one just did.

You have my answer. It is nothing other than what I have said. Any attempt on your part to expand on it is fallacious. Repeating the same tactic over and over will not suddenly turn your strawmen into anything other than what they are.

Just accept the simple fact that your paranoid hypothetical is irrelevant and move on.
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2015-12-20 16:23:48 UTC
Or just accept the fact that this is a hardcore PvP game and there are no true carebears except for the people that think they are safe and cry like crazy or rage quit when they find out the hard way they are not.

A so called carebear in EVE that actually plays EVE would be considered a PVPer in WOW.
Solecist Project
#89 - 2015-12-20 16:51:38 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Every single player in EVE is a carebear. To sum it up, so long as they can calculate the adversity of the risk with isk...they are avoiding real risk (EVE fitting programs). Most ganks, cheap fit frigates, that kind of thing. Now if CCP could just reinstate skill point loss, remove pods and POP! from going through structure with a new clone appearing in home station...then you could fix that of avoidance to risk. Biggest risk is the investment of time and paid subscription, unable to recoup that quickly you now have to get that level 5 back Twisted

tl;dr : Skillpoints, highest value. Remove the ability to calculate the cost of a ship and now you don't have to worry about fitting it cheap as someone will cheap shitfit a destroyer or bring friends to ruin your day with an alpha loaded drive bye.

Coming from a faceless char. Ofc YOU label everyone a carebear.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#90 - 2015-12-20 16:53:09 UTC
W33b3l wrote:
Omg lol

The definition of a carebear is as simple as this.

Someone that plays a multiplayer game who avoids situations where another player could force an unwanted interaction at all times.

No. Too superficial, shallow or simply not accurately describing reality.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2015-12-20 16:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiandoshia
Iria Ahrens wrote:
So yea, I carebear in that I am very good at avoiding pvp usually. But I'm not against it, I'm not afraid of it. I just suck at it. But I don't avoid risk, rather I seek it out. I'd much rather make a trade run from Providence or NPC null to empire, than run between HS hubs, or sit in station trading.


At least I can say you are not the only one =p This describes me pretty much exactly.
I do call myself a carebear though, though I do it half jokingly because I know I am not "half as bad" as some people out there :D

-E- Don't misunderstand the last bit, I really have nothing against the way anyone plays the game (except for those guys who pop lowsec cyno Ibises, they need to get a lifeP)
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#92 - 2015-12-20 17:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Iria Ahrens wrote:
I've been calling myself a carebear for a while, but now am wondering if the title is apt.

Since I explore or trade for isk, but don't pvp for isk am I a carebear? I usually run away from pvp encounters, mainly because my ships have been pve fitted when SURPRISE PVP. I'll actively pvp sometimes, but I suck so usually I'm the one on the km.

I've no problem flying in any space, WH, Null, LS, HS are all fine for me. No cold sweat, or even tripidation when I enter a wh or activate a warp gate into LS/Null. I'll even fly in hostile null and place remote buy/sell orders in outposts I could never dock in. VFK? No problem. I'll use contracts to hopefully attract a local hauler to move my goods to a more profitable location, or from a cheaper place to null.

So yea, I carebear in that I am very good at avoiding pvp usually. But I'm not against it, I'm not afraid of it. I just suck at it. But I don't avoid risk, rather I seek it out. I'd much rather make a trade run from Providence or NPC null to empire, than run between HS hubs, or sit in station trading.


The reality of the game is that in 99% of the cases you're better off avoiding the engagement, than taking it. Losing ships to being outshipped, blobs, jams, logi, links or 1vX fights doesn't mean that you're willing to take risks. It means you're stupid. Of course you'll get the elite pro pvpers calling you names, etc., etc., but who cares. Remember, PvP starts when you undock, if you avoid getting killed you're beating the PvPers. Their complaints are just saltiness that you deny them free kills.
Solecist Project
#93 - 2015-12-20 17:40:10 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
I've been calling myself a carebear for a while, but now am wondering if the title is apt.

Since I explore or trade for isk, but don't pvp for isk am I a carebear? I usually run away from pvp encounters, mainly because my ships have been pve fitted when SURPRISE PVP. I'll actively pvp sometimes, but I suck so usually I'm the one on the km.

I've no problem flying in any space, WH, Null, LS, HS are all fine for me. No cold sweat, or even tripidation when I enter a wh or activate a warp gate into LS/Null. I'll even fly in hostile null and place remote buy/sell orders in outposts I could never dock in. VFK? No problem. I'll use contracts to hopefully attract a local hauler to move my goods to a more profitable location, or from a cheaper place to null.

So yea, I carebear in that I am very good at avoiding pvp usually. But I'm not against it, I'm not afraid of it. I just suck at it. But I don't avoid risk, rather I seek it out. I'd much rather make a trade run from Providence or NPC null to empire, than run between HS hubs, or sit in station trading.


The reality of the game is that in 99% of the cases you're better off avoiding the engagement, than taking it. Losing ships to being outshipped, blobs, jams, logi, links or 1vX fights doesn't mean that you're willing to take risks. It means you're stupid. Of course you'll get the elite pro pvpers calling you names, etc., etc., but who cares. Remember, PvP starts when you undock, if you avoid getting killed you're beating the PvPers. Their complaints are just saltiness that you deny them free kills.

On the other side does not caring about your opponents "powerlevel" have benefits,
including experience, learning from mistakes, possinly finding frIends and even wins happen.

And the respect of those who matter, because they know that daring is worth more than winning alone!

Not engaging someone, because he seems to/might be stronger, is spineless and shows a lack of creativity.
There's always a way to beat someone,
you just have to analyse and think about how to achieve it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#94 - 2015-12-20 17:59:21 UTC
Taking fights you can't win isn't good decision making. At all. Or are you saying that getting killed by 5 linked svipuls, a Falcon and a VNI is ~valuable experience~
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2015-12-20 18:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Khan Wrenth
I am a carebear
scared and in doubt

So,I go to the forums
where I pout

When I get all blown up
Hear me shout!

ignore me or call me out
I think I'm a clever poster, yes it's true

But rage on the forums is all I can do
In fact, this is an example of all I do!

I'll even try to post with an alt
But I'll never admit, I'm the one at fault

Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Solecist Project
#96 - 2015-12-20 18:18:46 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Taking fights you can't win isn't good decision making. At all. Or are you saying that getting killed by 5 linked svipuls, a Falcon and a VNI is ~valuable experience~

It's always a poor choice to come up with a specific and silly example to counter something that was broadly spoken.

As it seems to be beyond your comprehension, I'll spill it out for you.

Works for every example.

You know they're out there.
As you do, you can fit for the situation.
There's hundreds of choices here already.

You could specifically set the linked ship as your goal, for example and fit accordingly.
You can easily fit a rookie ship with a shipscanner and attempt to get a scan before they blow you up.
You can follow them around and wait until they are being engaged by others ... and then strike.

It's always depending on the situation ...
... and the vast majority of situations don't force you to stay docked.

Ofc, when you sit in a slaved pod in a station without insta ...
... well, tough luck, your own fault. Doesn't change things.



Still... most situations aren't like your silly example, or worse. Nope.

In most situations it's just the player being incapable or unwilling to stand up and know he'll lose ...
... and ignorant about how not being a spineless coward would gain him respect, which is priceless.


tl;dr:
Not undocking and not even trying anything is spineless and shows a lack of creativity.


Get your DunningKruger checked. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#97 - 2015-12-20 18:28:04 UTC
ITT I'm a spineless coward because I recognise that there are fights that one shouldn't take. Broadly speaking, of course.
Solecist Project
#98 - 2015-12-20 18:40:55 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
ITT I'm a spineless coward because I recognise that there are fights that one shouldn't take. Broadly speaking, of course.

*pats your head*
No, you're a spineless coward for not undocking and trying anything at all ...
... but hey, keeping an inflated ego comfortable is hard work ... right?

Staying docked is the most spineless thing you can do in absolutely most situations.

So, tldr is that you forgot "butthurt" in your list and good luck in staying docked
whenever chances might seem against you.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#99 - 2015-12-20 18:43:34 UTC
Delicious tears, etc.
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2015-12-20 19:48:58 UTC
I can see both sides of the argument. If you are trolling around npc null or something and never attack anything you don't have a. 100% chance of killing then ya that's kind of lame. Although I'm going to leave that buffer tanked Typhoon I see sitting on that gate alone while in my pilgrim. Ide rather try to dual point the venture I saw for a quick buck and the challenge of catching him. In the end it's just about having fun. If I feel like messing with the phoone later I'll fit a ship for what I think he's running. Assuming I feel like covering the loss of I loose. In the end, who really cares about it.