Science & Industry

Provide the per-player value or GTFO. Nobody cares about per-character stats, given the number of alts.




PvP is literally the linchpin of economic demand in Eve. It's not an assumption that it's more important, it's an actual fact. Any number of alternatives could trivially replace the various resource faucets in the game. They exist solely to provide supply for the demand.

PvP also is not limited to Bob shoots Alice. If Bob and Alice are both miners, they are, e.g., competing for minerals in an asteroid. This is also PvP. They'll be competing further when they both take their output to market.

Your idea includes the notion that Alice shouldn't be able to "eliminate" the competition if she wants to put forth the effort. Bob should be able to just "opt out" and shove his output into the market with no mechanism for preventing him from doing so?

This is not a boon to "PvE players" - it's a boost for incompetent fuckwits. Competent "PvE players" have a valuable symbiotic relationship with PvP players who prey on their competition.

Why do you persist in the bizarre, idiotic assertion that PvE players constitute some sort of unified team of people in opposition to "PvP players"?

"You can see some interesting and unexpected things like the fact that only 1.5% of players run Incursions and 13.8% of players engage in PVP on any given day." - http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-economy-update-eve-vegas-2015-report/




Lol. Another advice column. Suck it up princess? I AM in null. I've NEVER LOST A NONCOMBAT SHIP IN HIGH SEC SINCE 2006. The only noncombat ships I've lost anywhere are cov ops ships. Give me a break on the e-uni noob lessons, people. I don't buy plex. I'm not in high sec. Even if my silly ideas were adopted by CCP, they wouldn't benefit me in the slightest. Don't come in here and try to give me crap like I'm arguing for an easier Eve for myself :)


You guys are terrible at understanding this whole hypothetical, tongue-in-cheeck, devil's advocate thing that I explained as such right from the get-go.

An "ore requisition" would be like if I told you you could only do missions and nothing else in Eve until you had run exactly 50 level 4 missions. Although with pvp in Eve you can avoid it, and you can simply get another ship, these would completely ruin the game for anybody who got decced with them.

And the plex shields idea would be completely broken, ganking and gatecamping would be dead, hauling completely safe for those with enough isk to keep it, and for those without enough money for plex wouldn't be able to achieve the income that those with the plex could, so they'd never be able to rise up to the older player's income unless they worked their asses off.

Except that you can avoid war targets, and nobody's forcing you to watch dscan or fly less expensive ships, those are simply ways of avoiding danger and lowering risk, whereas you have no option whatsoever to avoid an "ore requisition" aside from dropping corp. It's basically a "screw you for killing me, now you can't do anything except the most boring thing in the game for 4 days because I told you so". That's horrible gameplay. If I ever got decced, I simply wouldn't play until it was over because I simply cannot stand mining. I would not be able to physically do what I wanted, whereas you can, there's just more danger in it.

Also, for plex shields, just because it'd "be a game changer" doesn't make it a good idea. It'd totally destroy Eve's niche that nowhere is safe, and would simply make it more like all the other MMOs out there.

You aren't seeing what I'm saying.

Being wardecced leaves a PVE player with three options: 1) continue as if it doesn't exist while being exposed to much more risk, 2) don't log on, 3) alter gameplay from the 'usual' to try to cope with the wardec. #3 might mean moving to null, throwing away your corp, fighting back, or even just being more cautious. But regardless those are the three options. You don't avoid a wardec just by thinking "ima avoid this wardec" - it takes specific action that the person wouldn't otherwise need to do as much or at all.

The ore req is largely the same in that it grants a person te ability to directly impact the gamrplay of someone else who does not consent to this meddling... except thst with an ore req it would more likely be the PVEer who is given the reins and the PVPer who finds himself between a rock and a hard place. A PVPer ore reqd can 1) ignore it and just try to PVP in mining barges and industrials, 2) not log in, or 3) do something out of their 'usual' playstyle to cope with the ore req.


And the plex shield is more of the same. Buying a plex with RL money to turn into isk offers players the chance to engage in PVP as much as they can afford to. That throws off the balance of things because this person doesn't have to weigh their limited ingame tj.e to decide how much PVE they are willing to endure in order to fund their PVP, because the person isn't limited to flying ships they can afford by ingame means.

The plex is just a PVEers spin on that. As converting cash into isk let's a player avoid PVE to PVP, so a plex shield would allow a player to PVE without nonconsensual PVP.


It's only fair. It would drastically alter the game, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be fair

Now there's (finally) a real argument against the idea.

The PVEers influence everyone else playing the game, each in a miniscule way, with each isk/m3/whatever they create, while the PVPers influence only a single other person at a time, but in a much more significant way.

So you did.

How what you were saying plays out in game just didn't sink in until the last time. Thanks for indulging me!

Yeah. Everyone is quick to point out how much it sucks for a PVPer to go looking for flights only to find a people who blueball or zerg up until fighting isn't a good option. But what's happening to the PVEer then? He, too, is missing out on what he wants.

The difference is the PVPer dictates the terms. He is the one who starts a blueball sandoff or who inspires the carebears to zerg up. They're just trying to get back to what they're most interested in.


The point that PVE can't be allowed to go on with impunity is a good one. I guess it's just an Eve culture thing that a PVEer who asks for his playstyle to suffer fewer interruptions is a whiny millenial but a PVPer who breaks up a PVE grindfest is doing God's work.