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Don't skill for anything in particular or CCP will nerf it
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Zenmaster Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-12-08 17:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenmaster Aihaken
So I had a nice plan, but then CCP changed something. Then I changed the plan, hopeful that this time, this time I'd get to actually fly something worth while, but then CCP used their nerf bat again. Now I don't know if there's any point to skilling for any particular ship anymore, lest you end up terribly disappointed. So now I will focus on generic things like tanking and such, until CCP nerfs that too.

*Frustrated*

Edit: Yeah I know, it's whining. :p However while I do like all the new things coming, I'd also like a little more stability.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#2 - 2015-12-08 17:35:10 UTC
Most times, the change in ship performance is necessary.

They introduce a new ship spec/weapon application
it gets used, tweeked, fleeted, experimented with
someone figures out it is a bit overpowered
soon it becomes the only ship that people are flying

I've been here about 10 years. I get butthurt over some of my favorite ships too. Some were minor nerfs, but some nerfs have ruined those ships forever.
The thing is, CCP HAS to nerf some things to keep the game somewhat balanced. It's all part of the process that comes with introducing new content.
Skill plans change as you get longer into the game. That is also a common and re-occurring event. It doesn't mean the skills are wasted. You will still use them.




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Khanid Voltar
#3 - 2015-12-08 18:47:43 UTC
Ever wonder where the phrase "adapt or die" came from?

Threads like this.
Zenmaster Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-12-09 00:02:38 UTC
Even a zenmaster gets frustrated from time to time. If not, there is no way to learn. Thanks for the input, guys!
Husidh
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-12-09 03:35:09 UTC
If there is a ship you want so bad you skill for it and it alone, it is probably OP anyway :D
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#6 - 2015-12-09 03:43:55 UTC
If you rush-train into whatever the Flavour Of The Month ship currently is, you're begging to get caught out by an inevitable nerf.

When I started, all of 14 or so months back,, I had a great many people tell me to rush train into the Ishtar and/or the Tengu.

I am very glad I ignored them in favour of getting my core engineering, fitting, tanking and navigation skills up to scratch. Sure, it means I'm nigh on incapable of flying anything larger than a Frigate in PvP.

That will change in a big way when my current neural mapping for Drones finishes up in ~48 odd days.

Ships will come, ships will go and ships will eventually come back again (as some Phoenix flying friends have pointed out), but those Core skills keep on keeping on, regardless what ship you're currently in.

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Zenmaster Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-12-09 15:29:24 UTC
Yeah, I'm done with the core skills, but the whining is exactly due to first training for the Ishtar for a long-long time, and then switching to the Gila. First the Isthar got nerfed to hell, then the Gila is nerfed now. I got great drone skills though! :p My decision now is to just focus down the few shield, armor and navigation skils I've got left. Eventually that is what saves the day anyway. But I'm still iffy as to which damage category I should choose. I guess hybrids go well with drones, but then I initially skilled Caldari, and they are missiles. Oh, choices, choices...
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-12-09 22:15:42 UTC
When everyone is using that one thing all the time it's a pretty good sign that there's something wrong with it.

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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#9 - 2015-12-10 14:07:46 UTC
I have had to re make enough fittings over my years to now not worry over changes, they are a part of the game.

I miss my double mwd drone spewing domi of doom!
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#10 - 2015-12-17 06:02:19 UTC
Khanid Voltar wrote:
Ever wonder where the phrase "adapt or die" came from?

Threads like this.


I think Darwin was the first to really get the idea.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#11 - 2015-12-18 20:12:13 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
When everyone is using that one thing all the time it's a pretty good sign that there's something wrong with it.


Why? There's always going to be a "best ship" in the game, no matter how balanced everything is.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-12-20 06:49:11 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
When everyone is using that one thing all the time it's a pretty good sign that there's something wrong with it.


Why? There's always going to be a "best ship" in the game, no matter how balanced everything is.


Because a single ship with a single fitting should never be the 'be all end all' thing that everyone uses because it is the best thing available to do anything. Case in point: The Ishtar of 2 years ago.

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Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-12-20 08:23:33 UTC
Skill to fly all ships and fit all modules, then your never disappointed.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-12-20 20:13:30 UTC
I just train everything... Since they simply won't nerf everything... btw the Ishtar is not that bad after nerfing, just sayingRoll

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-12-21 02:30:27 UTC
Train for what sucks and is unpopular, and by the time you're good at it, it'll be due for a buff. If the buff comes late, just fly it anyway and let its suckiness make you hard, then when it finally does get buffed, you'll be beastmode and your hair might just turn yellow or something.

Fly dangerous! o/

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#16 - 2015-12-21 05:46:53 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Because a single ship with a single fitting should never be the 'be all end all' thing that everyone uses because it is the best thing available to do anything. Case in point: The Ishtar of 2 years ago.


And in $currentyear, the Ishtar is replaced by $shipname.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-12-23 02:26:59 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Because a single ship with a single fitting should never be the 'be all end all' thing that everyone uses because it is the best thing available to do anything. Case in point: The Ishtar of 2 years ago.


And in $currentyear, the Ishtar is replaced by $shipname.


And that is why it will be brought in to line.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#18 - 2016-01-02 08:35:59 UTC
I train whatever i want and CCP nerfs are irrelevant.

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Citizen of Solitude
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#19 - 2016-01-02 09:28:55 UTC
Zenmaster Aihaken wrote:
First the Isthar got nerfed to hell.
You should consider rethinking your definition of nerfed to hell m8

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#20 - 2016-01-04 13:11:00 UTC
If you stay on it long enough, being able to fly everything (subcappy) becomes almost inevitable..... nerfs will not matter anymore at that point.

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