Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is not balancing from an "pretty big psychological effect" perspective. Its an extreme escalation of the issue.

(its like negotiating with 3 year-olds. No, you cannot have a piece of chocolate. Waah, I will only accept that if I can eat as much toffee as I want)

Balance is along the lines Mike suggests; Actively flown cloaked ships remain immune to unsolicited pvp. Only afk cloaks become potentially vulnerable after triggers demanding active player efforts are reached.

Or, we can not have to rebalance a whole set of ships and modules based on the complaints of people who are just trying to make it easier to rat afk.

Hmm, decisions decisions.

Because CCP had the wisdom to weaken all cov-ops capable ships because they knew it would be to OP otherwise since you couldn't find it when cloaked. So if you get the ability to find covops-cloaks, I want full T2-resistances and proper HP and DPS fitting to the size of the ship.

Well if talking about game stuff is an outlandish and childish thing, then I guess we all in the same boat.

Agreed, force recons, covert ops and stealth bombers having more HP and DPS.

Or an anchored bubble and even better about 6-10 cans spread around the bubble edge to help with de-cloaking (not that ventures can warp while cloaked). And full of DPS ships and lots and lots of dead ventures.

That's not what you said. I poked a hole in yet another of your moronic statements (Ventures hard to catch ahahahaha), which you now (surprise, surprise) changed to "and once there you can remain forever".

Which is true, but of course nobody gives a hoot. I can wait till you decloak and come at me bro. Imagine the horror. I would need at least a Crucifier to survive the onslaught.

Yeah, we nail a bunch of them like that. Got a nemesis just last night, so much for Invulnerability cloaks...

Yep, an invasion with no fangs really. Relying only on ships that can't even take on a ratting ship except with rather decent numbers is not going to be very effective. And even then, after the first attack the game is up...the super secret awesome weapon is revealed to a rubber knife.

I guess our psyches aren't big enough to contain the AwEsOmE risk bomb. Hence we just stumble blissfully unaware through the ordeal, none the wiser and all the merrier

Or .... perhaps everybody fails to understand you because you haven't actually said anything yet?



Your Big Inherently Psychological Yokel Risk (that's of course not about any of us) is -- and I'm attempting to grasp the concept here so please lower yourself to my level and explain in English if you will -- so, the Yokelrisk comes from not knowing what it is exactly you've got up your sleeve, aye?

Might be a noobship, might be a battleship? That about right still?

See, the thing is ..... when you're aligned (or nimble enough) none of that matters. The only time a cloaked ship poses any danger is the moment you actually see it uncloak, on grid, right next to you.

Then your predator has some iffy bit of targeting delay going on (at least 5 sec) but let's completely ignore that too.
Not to mention only a recon can manage to get on grid with you without showing up on DScan; but let's ignore that too shall we?

It is understood that you need to be pretty close to get hard tackle, so there's some mobility issues with getting there under the radar. Some ratting occurs in anoms or behind acceleration gates; but picking up probes on DScan is hard as well.

So, you expect us to poop our pants because it *might* be anything while in reality, only a Stealth bomber could decloak and immediately tackle you? A stealth bomber which you can smartbomb with your battleship or outrun/kill with anything else?



Could you please explain --in English this time, Mr. Brainz--, why we should care about what ship you might have cloaked up? Because in reality, taking some caution on the PvE player into account, the risk really is minimal.

If it's a non-covops, the attempt is laughable.
If it's a bomber, good luck surviving long enough.
If it's a recon or T3, there is still an escape hatch.

Ergo, my failure to grasp why y'all so afraid to undock stems from the confidence we can handle whatever it is. Sure, a creative or patient hunter can pull one off but even then (a) the loss does not weigh against the profits - so just calculate those in and be done with it, (b) take an educated guess when the cloaker will probably be AFK anyway, and (c) rely on your backup fleet you ought to have when in sovspace, when the shooting starts.

Briefly put: you're an idiot of mass proportion and you're talking out of your 4ss about nothing at all. There is no risk. If you need help with psychological trauma, please consult a psychiatrist. Brokk out.