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Endurance and ice mining.
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Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-12-15 20:23:56 UTC
So I was thinking about getting into Ice mining with the Endurance but as I read more and more about ICE vs Ore mining, I am not so sure it is worth the change.

I've got great ore mining skills and I am happy with making about 15 mil per hour in my Procurer mining solo in Hi-sec. The gist of the reading I've done about ice mining both in the forums and other locations, the only real reason to ice mine is if you need the material for building or adding to your POS.

What say you?
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#2 - 2015-12-15 20:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiloh Templeton
The main reason to ice mine is that it is semi-afk friendly. You can start your strip miner on your procurer and then you won't need to do anything for about 8 minutes without orca boost.

In high-sec there's little reason to use the Endurance. It must be for people who need to get some ice to fuel their POS in more dangerous space.

p.s. Nice Tunic
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#3 - 2015-12-15 21:52:09 UTC
It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I was making significantly more than 15 mil per hour mining ice in high. So based on isk/hr alone it's definitely worth it.

But yeah, you wouldn't use the endurance for that. Only major purpose I see for the endurance is wh groups. Who find a shattered wh
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#4 - 2015-12-16 04:43:36 UTC
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I was making significantly more than 15 mil per hour mining ice in high. So based on isk/hr alone it's definitely worth it.

But yeah, you wouldn't use the endurance for that. Only major purpose I see for the endurance is wh groups. Who find a shattered wh


Actually, given the relative costs between an Endurance and an Exhumer, I expect to see these new frigates out and about a fair bit in 0.0 space. ISK20m for an Endurance vs ISK190m for a Mackinaw?

As for shattered wormhole mining, I daresay any Fullerite clouds would have to get huffed out before you'd even consider going after the Ice. Maybe if some new Ice is implemented that's only found in these shattered wormholes we'd get fleets of Endurance frigates chasing it.

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Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-12-16 12:42:58 UTC
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
I've got great ore mining skills and I am happy with making about 15 mil per hour in my Procurer mining solo in Hi-sec.

Is that what you guys make? Those are sweatshop wages. Why would you work for chump change?
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-12-16 14:32:18 UTC
Kaska Iskalar wrote:
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
I've got great ore mining skills and I am happy with making about 15 mil per hour in my Procurer mining solo in Hi-sec.

Is that what you guys make? Those are sweatshop wages. Why would you work for chump change?



Ok, I'll bite.

What do you do to make your billions per hour, Miss (?) Do you make it as a team or do you ever fly solo?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2015-12-16 20:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
What do you do to make your billions per hour, Miss (?) Do you make it as a team or do you ever fly solo?

Level 4 security missions are typically 40m/hour in a typical T1 battleship, if you don't blitz or loot.

I earn ~500m a month doing industry, which takes me about 10 minutes/month. More if I'm not lazy (14b so far this month).
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-12-16 22:22:48 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
What do you do to make your billions per hour, Miss (?) Do you make it as a team or do you ever fly solo?

Level 4 security missions are typically 40m/hour in a typical T1 battleship, if you don't blitz or loot.

I earn ~500m a month doing industry, which takes me about 10 minutes/month. More if I'm not lazy (14b so far this month).


Thanks for the reply. Good info.

I've only reached level III missions so far and though I enjoy the battles, the payout is just not as good as ore mining with my barge setup. I cannot wait for level IV missions but it seems to progress slowly. Added problem is I am doing corp missions (FDU) and I have to deal with FW activity all the time. It makes it tougher to complete the missions.

What do you do with industry?
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#9 - 2015-12-17 09:26:03 UTC
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Kaska Iskalar wrote:
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
I've got great ore mining skills and I am happy with making about 15 mil per hour in my Procurer mining solo in Hi-sec.

Is that what you guys make? Those are sweatshop wages. Why would you work for chump change?



Ok, I'll bite.

What do you do to make your billions per hour, Miss (?) Do you make it as a team or do you ever fly solo?


You know eve is a multiplayer game right? Might I recommend joining a corp with orca boosts? You'll make far more isk/hr. Join a null sec group and mine with rorqual boosts mining halfway decent ore.

Hell, move out to Provi and mine decent ore out there.

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Actually, given the relative costs between an Endurance and an Exhumer, I expect to see these new frigates out and about a fair bit in 0.0 space. ISK20m for an Endurance vs ISK190m for a Mackinaw?

As for shattered wormhole mining, I daresay any Fullerite clouds would have to get huffed out before you'd even consider going after the Ice. Maybe if some new Ice is implemented that's only found in these shattered wormholes we'd get fleets of Endurance frigates chasing it.


Yeah they're cheaper, but they're also slower. You might see them in NPC null, but any area of null with a half way decent intel it makes more sense to use an exhumer. I might be wrong, but aren't t1 barges faster than an endurance too (assuming similiar skills)? As for shattered, it would likely be done by small wh groups looking to be "self sufficient" with their pos. Make their own pi, mine their own ice, make their own fuel. Probably not the best way to do things, but I could see some groups doing it. Especially when you get an indy corp that wants to try out wh space.
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-12-17 14:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kennedy Lincoln
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Kaska Iskalar wrote:
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
I've got great ore mining skills and I am happy with making about 15 mil per hour in my Procurer mining solo in Hi-sec.

Is that what you guys make? Those are sweatshop wages. Why would you work for chump change?



Ok, I'll bite.

What do you do to make your billions per hour, Miss (?) Do you make it as a team or do you ever fly solo?


You know eve is a multiplayer game right? Might I recommend joining a corp with orca boosts? You'll make far more isk/hr. Join a null sec group and mine with rorqual boosts mining halfway decent ore.


EVE is a multi-player environment??? I only started in 2008 and I never knew about corporations till right now. Oh, thats right - I am in one. Geesh I must be playing this thing wrong for all these years. DARN.

I am joking, of course.
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#11 - 2015-12-17 23:51:07 UTC
Then mind telling me why you seem to have such a hatred for anything that isn't solo? I've noticed this trend with you in a few different threads now.
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-12-18 13:36:11 UTC
Sheeth Athonille wrote:
Then mind telling me why you seem to have such a hatred for anything that isn't solo? I've noticed this trend with you in a few different threads now.


I have no hatred to team playing. Anyone that compares their winnings from playing with a team to playing solo is comparing apples to oranges. To leave out that your winnings that you are boasting about is via team play versus my solo play is a bit disingenuous.

I don't like playing as a team because too often silly politics interferes but that does not mean I hate it.

Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-12-18 18:34:11 UTC
The tailor-made mining method for a solo player without corp support definitely is gas huffing in wormholes.

It'll be more intense and more profitable than any other kind of mining you can do solo, I'm pretty sure, while still being VERY feasible to do solo.
Hochopepa
Creative Research and Production Services
#14 - 2015-12-18 18:51:12 UTC
I have 2 alts with maxed out mining skills and I haven't sat in any form of mining vessel in nearly a decade. It's just not as profitable as a few level 4's in HS or the few minutes a week I put into industry. With that being said, we need the miners, else we're screwed for the materials we need. Were I you, I would definitely burn my way up to levels 4s as fast as possible to make decent money, then I would supplement with industry/mining when you have some free time or are bored with missions.

as for 40m per hour... yeah, I generally can easily break 100m per hour but average about 75m or so.
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-12-18 20:45:36 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
The tailor-made mining method for a solo player without corp support definitely is gas huffing in wormholes.

It'll be more intense and more profitable than any other kind of mining you can do solo, I'm pretty sure, while still being VERY feasible to do solo.


Thanks!
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-12-18 20:46:38 UTC
Hochopepa wrote:
I have 2 alts with maxed out mining skills and I haven't sat in any form of mining vessel in nearly a decade. It's just not as profitable as a few level 4's in HS or the few minutes a week I put into industry. With that being said, we need the miners, else we're screwed for the materials we need. Were I you, I would definitely burn my way up to levels 4s as fast as possible to make decent money, then I would supplement with industry/mining when you have some free time or are bored with missions.

as for 40m per hour... yeah, I generally can easily break 100m per hour but average about 75m or so.



Good info. Thanks!
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#17 - 2015-12-18 21:28:28 UTC
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:

I have no hatred to team playing. Anyone that compares their winnings from playing with a team to playing solo is comparing apples to oranges. To leave out that your winnings that you are boasting about is via team play versus my solo play is a bit disingenuous.

I don't like playing as a team because too often silly politics interferes but that does not mean I hate it.



Not sure that I agree with your outlook, but fair enough.

Your income still seems low. It was a while ago, but I used to be able to pull in about 30 mil/hr mining scordite in high without boosts.

If you do want to stay solo though, your best bet is (as others have mentioned) gas huffing, running missions, or moving to Provi.