These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Missions & Complexes

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Drone aggro bugged?

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#101 - 2015-12-17 01:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Khaos Hammer
Khaos Drifter
#102 - 2015-12-17 03:52:53 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Khaos Hammer wrote:
So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.

Considering the amount of trolling mission runners got with the burner bug a few weeks age, some of it from SpaceMonkey's Alliance and other nullsec groups iirc, this post is particularly ironic.

Dat Karma yo.


I honestly have no idea what you're talking about, but...cool story, I guess? You sound bitter. And as tragic as that is, it has pretty much nothing to do with this topic.
Khaos Hammer
Khaos Drifter
#103 - 2015-12-17 03:54:54 UTC
Gorishimo Watia wrote:
Khaos Hammer wrote:
Every time there's a post like this, the trolls come out in force. They love to throw around "carebear" and "no AFK ratting for you" without really understanding the issue.

I live in nullsec and I don't AFK rat. I pay attention. But I do use drone boats and, in fact, was training to use the Ishtar. Right now, I can't even use my VNI. Every time I try to run a site, the rats just aggro the drones over and over. I spend more time pulling them in and releasing them than I do killing the rats. Sometimes, the rats all target the same drone and just destroy it. I use Caldari Navy Wasps, so that's 3-4 mil down the drain, which really eats into profits.

Can I switch ships? Sure. I can use my Gila with no issue because they really can't hit the medium drones. I can switch to my Raven, which really doesn't depend on drones for DPS. And that's fine for me, but some people only trained drone skills and don't have as many skill points as I do. And it still sucks to have ships like the VNI, Ishtar, and Dominix be neutered by something like this. It's actually torturous to use them to rat with now, so they'll just sit in my hanger.

So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.

So, yeah. I'd like to know if this is a bug or intentional. Because if it's intentional, then the drone boats just got a big nerf.






Try a different system or a few if you can, it seems that some systems bug out due too the frostline sites.


Yeah, I did. All seemed fine at first. I ran an entire Forsaken Hub without any drone aggro. I actually thought that was the trick and moved all of my ratting ships to that system. Then, on the very next hub I ran, it was nonstop drone aggro just like the previous system. It's either random, bugged, or has something to do with the indexes. Either way, I'm parking my drone boats for now. The only one that gets away with it is the Gila and that's just because they can't hit the medium drones very well, but I still see them shoot at them nonstop.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#104 - 2015-12-17 03:59:52 UTC
Khaos Hammer wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Khaos Hammer wrote:
So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.

Considering the amount of trolling mission runners got with the burner bug a few weeks age, some of it from SpaceMonkey's Alliance and other nullsec groups iirc, this post is particularly ironic.

Dat Karma yo.


I honestly have no idea what you're talking about, but...cool story, I guess? You sound bitter. And as tragic as that is, it has pretty much nothing to do with this topic.

I dunno, that was a bug, this seems to be a bug. Situation seems pretty similar to me. But I've been enjoying seeing the very same people laughing at the expensive of hi-sec players crying buckets of tears over a bug. So yea, I guess it is a cool story Lol

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Khaos Hammer
Khaos Drifter
#105 - 2015-12-17 04:00:11 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal.


I don't know about missions, but I'm still encountering this on Forsaken Hubs and Havens in nullsec. It's definitely not fixed. My ship rarely even gets attacked. They just keep targeting the drones.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#106 - 2015-12-17 22:10:07 UTC
Khaos Hammer wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal.


I don't know about missions, but I'm still encountering this on Forsaken Hubs and Havens in nullsec. It's definitely not fixed. My ship rarely even gets attacked. They just keep targeting the drones.


Sucks to be you. Cool story bro...
Gorishimo Watia
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2015-12-18 01:08:18 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Khaos Hammer wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal.


I don't know about missions, but I'm still encountering this on Forsaken Hubs and Havens in nullsec. It's definitely not fixed. My ship rarely even gets attacked. They just keep targeting the drones.


Sucks to be you. Cool story bro...




awww did goonies touch you in the wrong place? QQ
Khaos Hammer
Khaos Drifter
#108 - 2015-12-18 01:12:44 UTC
Gorishimo Watia wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Khaos Hammer wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal.


I don't know about missions, but I'm still encountering this on Forsaken Hubs and Havens in nullsec. It's definitely not fixed. My ship rarely even gets attacked. They just keep targeting the drones.


Sucks to be you. Cool story bro...




awww did goonies touch you in the wrong place? QQ


It sounds like she needs a hug to me. So much anger. That's the problem with trying to post anything in these forums or look for help. It always turns into a $#!t show because people seem to forget that they're playing a game.

Jesus, get over it.
CENTUREAN
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2015-12-18 06:46:14 UTC
In my case, there seems to be a damage notification lag. It shows half shield damage on the drone, once called in it will have full damage.

Right now I'm returning my sentries every 8 seconds to try and not lose drones.

Savannah Lion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2015-12-18 11:37:30 UTC
Hey Gorishimo Watia! Shocked Didn't expect to see you in here. Couple people saying it's fixed, some saying it's still broken. I just downloaded the second mini-update in two days. What's the story? We back in business, or the drones still down for the count?

Someone mentioned it being related to system, and I truly believe they're on to something. Most of us with only one account would naturally rat as close to home as practical to reduce travel time or ship switching if needed. However some with alts, or who jump clone to rat might not be effected. Just a theory so far, but explains the varied results. Some others feel it's busted code from the frontline junk. Would love an update, thanks.
CCP Paradox
#111 - 2015-12-18 15:57:43 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Paradox
Edit: (13/01) Fix has now been made, and should be deployed on 14th January 2015. Thanks for all the help in debugging this issue, apologies for the delay.

Hello everybody,

I have been investigating this issue this week, and wanted to drop by with a report. Thanks to everyone submitting bug reports on this, it's been helpful to include what drones you were using and what NPCs you were up against.

So here is where we are at. We have made no conscious change to NPC aggression against drones or players. This then means either their behavior has changed through an unintended change to the game, or nothing has actually changed at all.

At first I could not identify anything has changed, and after reading this forum thread I am still continuing to investigate until we have a identified an answer for you.

Now, some clarifications on how to expect an NPC choose to attack since Retribution based on the discussion here.

  • NPCs are aware of signature radius.
  • NPCs are aware of when you are tanking.
  • NPCs are aware of where the damage is coming from (from a ship, or from a drone).


I will reply when I have more information if we identify an issue was introduced in the December (Operation Frostline) release.

EDIT: If anyone wants to record a Youtube video of their activities where you believe your Drones are being attacked too much, please feel free to do so. This will help even more.

CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

Space Magician
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#112 - 2015-12-18 17:32:19 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
Hello everybody,

I have been investigating this issue this week, and wanted to drop by with a report. Thanks to everyone submitting bug reports on this, it's been helpful to include what drones you were using and what NPCs you were up against.

So here is where we are at. We have made no conscious change to NPC aggression against drones or players. This then means either their behavior has changed through an unintended change to the game, or nothing has actually changed at all.

At first I could not identify anything has changed, and after reading this forum thread I am still continuing to investigate until we have a identified an answer for you.

Now, some clarifications on how to expect an NPC choose to attack since Retribution based on the discussion here.

  • NPCs are aware of signature radius.
  • NPCs are aware of when you are tanking.
  • NPCs are aware of where the damage is coming from (from a ship, or from a drone).


I will reply when I have more information if we identify an issue was introduced in the December (Operation Frostline) release.

EDIT: If anyone wants to record a Youtube video of their activities where you believe your Drones are being attacked too much, please feel free to do so. This will help even more.


Well, that's one way of saying "the logs, they show nothing" Big smile

I've always thought it was, to be honest, weird as hell that boosting a faction cruiser (navy vexor) or HAC (ishtar) with an oversized AB generally resulted in NPCs not attacking your drones in high end anomalies. This is what makes the "isktar" possible in the 1st place, the 100mn AB isn't just about tanking.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#113 - 2015-12-18 17:38:39 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
Hello everybody,

I have been investigating this issue this week, and wanted to drop by with a report. Thanks to everyone submitting bug reports on this, it's been helpful to include what drones you were using and what NPCs you were up against.

So here is where we are at. We have made no conscious change to NPC aggression against drones or players. This then means either their behavior has changed through an unintended change to the game, or nothing has actually changed at all.

At first I could not identify anything has changed, and after reading this forum thread I am still continuing to investigate until we have a identified an answer for you.

Now, some clarifications on how to expect an NPC choose to attack since Retribution based on the discussion here.

  • NPCs are aware of signature radius.
  • NPCs are aware of when you are tanking.
  • NPCs are aware of where the damage is coming from (from a ship, or from a drone).


I will reply when I have more information if we identify an issue was introduced in the December (Operation Frostline) release.

EDIT: If anyone wants to record a Youtube video of their activities where you believe your Drones are being attacked too much, please feel free to do so. This will help even more.



Get to frapsing complainers!
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#114 - 2015-12-18 18:51:46 UTC
Hrm,

My main drone bug is having my Drones disengage a target I hotkey commanded them to attack and switch targets without authorization.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#115 - 2015-12-18 19:10:01 UTC
So is it possible drones were always bugged in null and never working properly to begin with?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#116 - 2015-12-18 20:14:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
So is it possible drones were always bugged in null and never working properly to begin with?


That thought occurred to me. When I've used an "AFKtar" or the Navy Vexor version with a 100mn AB I got almost no aggro on my drones, but the same ship with a proper sized AB got loads of aggro on drones.

If that behavior was a bug and now it's working correctly, well this wouldn't be the 1st time CCP accidentally fixed a bug without knowing it Cool
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#117 - 2015-12-18 22:01:46 UTC
Cipio Alduin
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2015-12-19 01:35:36 UTC
i was in 3T7-M8 ratting in an Ishtar and i warped to a Guristas Hidden Hub, and i could barely kill the frigates before i lost 1 Caldari navy wasp, i tried to recall it once i saw no rats in the site were attacking me and they were focusing this 1 wasp, it was half way back when it died and then i recalled all my other drones and they switched onto another one and once it arrived at my ship it was in structure, these sites are literaly un-doable with this level of drone agro, not once was my ship shot at once i deployed drones.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#119 - 2015-12-19 02:10:21 UTC
I don't know if this was brought to the table earlier, but is it possible that CCP put a little too much effort in the ai of the npc-rats and they are just tired of being killed by drones and they changed their tactics like a player would do and we are just too lazy to adapt the new situation? Cool

"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single)

"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#120 - 2015-12-19 04:08:19 UTC
Hmmm, NPCs slaughtering Drones in null anomalies, making afk isking harder (impossible for some)+ plex dropping from Frostline sites. PLEX prices crashing....

Coincidence? (yea probably is tbh, but dear god I hope not Twisted)