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Caracal: active/passive, ham/hml, for FW/solo?
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Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
#1 - 2015-12-17 12:04:06 UTC
Hi guys,

Back from a break. Want to go deep into cruisers and mainly the Caracal for now for FW or solo training/practice with cruisers, coming from frigates. I've been making fits in EFT, but not mentally ready yet to wave goodbye to cruiser+fitting costs so easily in PvP to just go try it out ingame :P I'd like to hear your opinion and experiences with fitting Caracal for solo pvp.

Mainly, do i go active or passive, should i dual rep if active? can i go ham brawl in a caracal or should i kite with hml? How do RLML fits go against cruisers? etc.

My skills for cruisers+fitting are max.

Thanks in advance ;)

"Two things I've learned lately. One: don't get jammed. And two: stationary ships don't react well to 1400's" - John Rourke, Clear Skies 2
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#2 - 2015-12-18 10:07:18 UTC
Active caracal is probably not a good idea, focus on the passive one.

It's all about RLML these days, which fares very well against sub-cruisers, but will ask you considerable kiting efforts if you shoot something bigger, since a full rack of light missiles cannot kill a decently tanked cruiser, and solid active tanks won't crack under RLML pressure.

HML is decent for gangs, but i don't see it as a good option for solo pvp (terrible application). HAM, on the other hand, will make a good anti-cruiser weapon, but then you can't reliably hit frigates.

If you are going for solo pvp, i would recommend a few RLML passive caracals, as well as a few HAM ones. However, keep in mind that you will have to be careful with your target selection.

If you want to switch later to a stronger version, Navy Opsrey, Cerberus and lastly Orthrus are also good solo platforms.
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
#3 - 2015-12-18 15:05:52 UTC
Tung Yoggi wrote:


If you want to switch later to a stronger version, Navy Opsrey, Cerberus and lastly Orthrus are also good solo platforms.



Thanks for your reply! Some very nice feedback! I can fly the Cerb and Orthrus effectively, but I'm just mainly looking for a cost effecient cruiser for fighting other cruisers. Loosing one 150+mil ship + fitting in the case of the Cerb, I'd be better off installing Salty Tears Mining Lasers II instantly for the sake of my wallet :') need me some isk first before commiting the more expensive ships.

Why is the active tank Caracal probably not a good idea tho? Are the extra power or cpu (depending on your lowslots and rigs) modules not worth it versus the more lenient passive tank fit?

"Two things I've learned lately. One: don't get jammed. And two: stationary ships don't react well to 1400's" - John Rourke, Clear Skies 2
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#4 - 2015-12-18 15:50:42 UTC
Yeah fitting issues and T1 resists pretty much kill the idea of an active caracal.

If you want to stay somehow cost-efficient, the revamped Navy Osprey could be a good choice, plenty of slots to play with, as well as superior mobility and damage vs the caracal.

Lastly, if you're fed up with kiting and missiles, the moa is a great brawler that can be active or passive tanked, you will ofc need gunnery skills. It's imo a stronger choice if you want to compete with vexors and thoraxes.
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
#5 - 2015-12-18 16:04:29 UTC
Tung Yoggi wrote:

Lastly, if you're fed up with kiting and missiles, the moa is a great brawler that can be active or passive tanked, you will ofc need gunnery skills. It's imo a stronger choice if you want to compete with vexors and thoraxes.


The Moa is great? Yeah? I've heard negative things about it actually. Not that I know anything about it, never flown it. I'm actually wanting to get into medium turrets aswell on this char, might take a closer look at the Moa. Thanks for the suggestion!

"Two things I've learned lately. One: don't get jammed. And two: stationary ships don't react well to 1400's" - John Rourke, Clear Skies 2
Ace Lapointe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-12-23 04:25:42 UTC
Welcome back,

If you are just getting into Cruiser PvP, stay away from the expensive stuff, you will go broke really fast, learn with the Caracal, and sit in PLEX's, wait for Frigates, and Dessies, Small Gangs of those you can take as well, I prefer Buffer on the Caracal, but that is probably the FC in me talking, Moa is actually amazing Solo boat, has 30k+ EHP with Trinity (Prop, Tackle) and 300-550 DPS, and moves quite faster by virtue of being a Shield Tanker, it is range limited though, so you need to catch things before they burn off.

If you have any fits you want to try, I need to loose 3 more Cruisers from my staging, I would be happy to duel you, T1 Cruisers, that or try the Test Server, though I hate it there, people don't get the shakes, at least I don't from PvP there, you don't loose anything..

Anyways, good luck!
Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
#7 - 2015-12-23 11:16:41 UTC
Thanks for your replies!

Any thoughts on this passive Cracal fit?


Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x2

semi copy/paste off of EVEUni

"Two things I've learned lately. One: don't get jammed. And two: stationary ships don't react well to 1400's" - John Rourke, Clear Skies 2
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2015-12-23 11:17:13 UTC
Jarsoom Blade wrote:
Tung Yoggi wrote:

Lastly, if you're fed up with kiting and missiles, the moa is a great brawler that can be active or passive tanked, you will ofc need gunnery skills. It's imo a stronger choice if you want to compete with vexors and thoraxes.


The Moa is great? Yeah? I've heard negative things about it actually. Not that I know anything about it, never flown it. I'm actually wanting to get into medium turrets aswell on this char, might take a closer look at the Moa. Thanks for the suggestion!


You should, blaster Moa, best Moa even before Retribution.

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Jarsoom Blade
Blade's Legion
#9 - 2015-12-23 11:26:28 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Jarsoom Blade wrote:
Tung Yoggi wrote:

Lastly, if you're fed up with kiting and missiles, the moa is a great brawler that can be active or passive tanked, you will ofc need gunnery skills. It's imo a stronger choice if you want to compete with vexors and thoraxes.


The Moa is great? Yeah? I've heard negative things about it actually. Not that I know anything about it, never flown it. I'm actually wanting to get into medium turrets aswell on this char, might take a closer look at the Moa. Thanks for the suggestion!


You should, blaster Moa, best Moa even before Retribution.


Alright! Sounds promising!

Moa, something like this?


Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Hobgoblin II x3

"Two things I've learned lately. One: don't get jammed. And two: stationary ships don't react well to 1400's" - John Rourke, Clear Skies 2