Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ditto, but with area of effect ranges ideally. (yes, I know that would apparently cause monstrous lag, whatevs)

A little command destroyer shouldn't have much influence, while the larger the ship hull class gets, the more powerful (as in range, not in raw stats) the boost should become.

I mean, think about it, what are boosts, exactly? They're synchronization, via a centralized command processor, that allows for faster reaction times and more effective decision making. In military terms, they are command and control units. Please note that this is true of IN GAME, not of the meta, since the FC makes decisions like that on comms.

And the fact of the matter is that the game's infocon literally tells us that something like a battlecruiser has a hell of a lot more raw processing power available than a destroyer does. This wouldn't necessarily allow it to make better decisions (since we're talking about the absolute micro level here anyway), and therefore would not reflect on the effectiveness of the module, but it most certainly would allow for calculations made at a greater distance.

Yeah, the fact that they are talking with surety about removing off grid boosts in the first place makes me hopeful. This will be an impactful change in more ways than just the mechanics it effects.

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T1 battlecruisers can already use warfare links. That has been the case for quite a while now.

If you were smart you'd start playing w/ your links on grid now. It will put you ahead of the procrastinators and those that choose to ignore the incoming improvement to the game. If you start now, once the change hits - you pwn most folks for a month or 2 until they adapt.

Boosting moving on grid is only going to hurt a few (albeit vocal) solo players. That's the real reason this change is goning through. 1000s want it on grid and a (comparatively) few 'solo' players want it left alone...... hmmm..... I wonder how this is going to end. The fact that 'solo' w/ off grid boosting is an obviously deceptive tactic to begin with only lends to making the inevitable outcome even easier to execute.



I'll boil it down for you:

3% are sceaming "no change, eve will be ruined - I'll quit (elite 'solo' players and certain risk conscious HS/LS groups)
40% want the change (small and large gang players)
57% don't give a ratsass (folks w/ no interest in pvp)
The 3% crying are being obviously deceptive, so who cares anyway.

It's pretty easy to see how this is going to play out. OGB tears aren't going to wash this change away. If I had to describe what 'no brainer' means - this is what I would use.

TL/DR: The problem with entirely removing off-grid-boosting is that it will upset only a few and please a great many, so it's going to happen. (pro hint - it's not really a problem - it's a solution)

Pretty sure they settled on a system where the boosts were a timed buff for everyone in fleet and in range at the time of the cycle. I am pretty sure the servers will be ok, as that's less intensive than the current system, and things like 98% of everyone in a wormhole hitting Dscan every 5 seconds hasn't caught anything on fire yet.

Please don't use links and the word Solo together as if that made sense.

Off grid links should go away entirely, even the foreman links.... Unless they make it so damage done to ships receiving links also does damage to the booster. If it's involved in the fight, it needs to be there.

So the problem is, "Waaaaaaaaaaaaah, my links alt!" Well, sorry about that. My small gangs suffer too, but I still completely support off grid boost removal in its entirety. Off grid boosting is out of control and needs to go.

As a maker and seller of T3 subs - there really isn't a market for them now. I'll help you with this: No one loses their off grid boosters because the current risk averse mechanics allows for it. Puting them on grid and getting them blown up will actually create a market for them. It will move from a 1 time purchase to a pvp consumable.

Something you pro off grid ninnies fail to aknowledge - 1000s (let me spell that out for you..... THOUSANDS) of ships are lost in pvp daily. Are you really comfortable arguing that all pvp will end if a handful of on grid boosting ships are lost each day? Do you really think we just shrug off countless losses as part of doing business, BUT if we lose that one boosting ship we'll just stop playing eve or stop doing pvp? Do you even listen to yourselves???

You act like a T3 booster kill mail is a rare and precious gem. I guess I can see where you're coming from if you're a leet 'solo' frig pilot backed up by a booster. It does have more value than the merlins you've been unfairly lumping up on.

TL/DR: welcome to pvp you leet 'solo' off grid boosted ninnies.

T3s are free KMs because they're fit solely as an off-grid booster. The same is true of off grid commandships. That's the whole point. You shouldn't be able to make a fail fit ship just for boosting and have it off grid where it's not in any danger. The whole reason it's fail fit is because you are counting on the fact that it will not be in danger. This is what they're getting rid of. You want links? You have to risk losing them in the fight they pertain to. Off grid links definitely need to go.

BIAB primarily affects skills that change the stats of your ship, and only actually changes anything when you finish a skill. So instead of you jumping to another system with an empty ship, then the server modifying your ship with your skills, it takes the already modified ship and plants you directly in it. Imagine that the server would do a distance check every server tick for a booster, or even 10 server ticks. It would be like that 1 booster is firing off up to 6 smartbombs on the entire fleet, but the check isn’t just on if you are in range or not (True/False), but then if it comes back True it would have to then calculate if you are in the falloff range (Since you mentioned giving it a falloff value), and then recalculate the strength of the boost on each fleetmember. Think what that would do to tidi. That's why I said I would be impressed if they found a way to do it for the technical hurdles it presents. I don't agree with the change, but I can still respect what they managed to accomplish.

Meanwhile by not making it a range check, but simply turning it to an on grid check, they would only have to make the check for boost application when you or the booster change grids, when boost are cycled on or off, and if a member of the chain of command changes. That’s a lot less strain on the server by reducing the amount of checks being done.



90% of all statistics are made up on the spot. How am I being deceptive by disagreeing with a change and voicing my opinion about it?


I’m curious though how many people use their T3s to boost, it’s got to be an already small market. I’m surprised people still use T3s to boost since you can get better performance out of a command ship (OGB wise), and you can make them as difficult to scan down as a T3. Granted people would choose a T3 to boost in a T3 fleet (For on grid boosts), but you are still only talking about a handful of people in the blob that would use that subsystem to keep the boosts rolling. Everyone else would roll with the standard line fit.


Nope, it won’t be a drop in the bucket in the big picture. With that said, CCP has made changes to make it so you can catch them (Can’t link from inside a POS, and can’t become immune to probes). Is it hard to catch one, yes because of how they fit their ships, just like it’s difficult to catch a good kiting ship when you are in a brawler. Is it impossible? No. The masses just don't want to bring a scanning character and lock the links down while they are off grid.