Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You started it forcefully, so I should be allowed to non-consensually end it through force.
If you want to go the non-consensual route, then the mechanic definitely needs to be in the game to force non-consensual actions upon you.

The only reason I've been given as to why it is broken is because you don't want to lose.

I don't give a crap who paid for what, you should be able to lose it.
Just like you express that any thing I purchase is subject to loss.

Wardecs should be no different.
Sorry you can't handle that.

Man, you will reach for anything just to continue not being able to lose wardecs...

Yeah lets remove wardecs, bumping and suicide ganking so highsec is safe and bears can finally enjoy this game.

This is what some people actually believe.

So far you've accused me of strawman, lieing, demagoguing, and many other things to try to invalidate my comments.

I have provided MEANINGFUL feedback as to why the system is broken and why it needs to change.
ALL of said reasons are presented in game and are factual. If you are under the impression that I'm lieing, than perhaps you should not be in this conversation, because you obviously haven't played the game.

So far,'the reasons for not changing the mechanic that have been provided are:
Because You paid for it
Because you shouldn't be immune to war (despite fighting for your freedom being my goal which is the opposite of immunity)
Because it's a flag,'not an in game asset
Because deccers are the thief in the night that major alliances fear (more like the ant in you pants that annoys the **** out of you)
Because whomever is defending is supposed to lose

I'm sure there are more, but the general theme is that they shouldn't be able to win because they're not the deccer.

I actually kind of agree with you here. Miners commonly drop to NPC corps when I wardec them. Some have outright deleted the corp and some have a sort of two corp arrangement where they jump from one to the other and sometimes into NPC corps (when I wardec both). Miners don't actually have any sense of shame about abandoning their friends when danger raises its head so off to being NPCs again it is.

Still, since my wardecs are not exclusively about shooting the miners but rather getting them to comply with my demands or be destroyed... well, I destroyed their corp. Not in every case. Sometimes the wardec ends and the miners rejoin and look much the same as before. But frequently the wardecced corp never recovers as the individual miners leave for other systems and organizations. Many of my wars end with the destruction of the entity I wardecced. If you have experience with the types of players who create highsec industrial corps you probably know that this is a good thing. Frankly, the ones who DON'T immediately dump everyone to NPC corps are often the worst leaders who's pride of owndership leads them to sacrifice their membership rather than accept that I can do what I say I do.

Personally, the one wardec change I would really like to see is to not allow a corp to disband under a wardec and none of its members can leave for the duration. I think THAT would greatly increase the amount of fighting but I understand why CCP doesn't do it. After years of wardeccing highsec industrialists I know most of them would rather quit than fight.

Oh please, no one in EVE has any sense of shame. Stop acting all superior when we're all scum bags in one way or another.



That's a horrible idea. Then no one will ever leave the NPC corp. Miners don't rat that much, so the bounty tax doesn't really affect them. High sec will be reduced to only a few war deccing troll corps and alliances with no one to war dec. There will be less people playing the game, because no one wants to deal with your crap, leaving even less people to war dec and fight. Your suggestion completely destroys the war dec system. It does not promote it.

The whole problem with the war dec system is it's one sided. The big PvP corp war decs the miners. The miners can't really fight back, so they leave corp and give the PvPers the middle finger. Not only that, even if the miners could fight back, they have no reason to. They'd be losing mining time by going out to fight. Well, if they wanted to fight to begin with, they wouldn't be mining in a mining corp. Since fighting for them is wasted time, they don't do it even if they can. War decs offer no benefits for the receiving side to put up a fight, so they don't. Until you fix that, the war dec system will remain broken.

Sounds like you have it all figured out already, so what need is there to change the war dec system? Or are you just asking for more goodies because you're greedy?



Confirmed you're just asking for more goodies because you're greedy. Too bad your "solution" would make less targets instead of more. If you could use the war dec system to force people to fight you, people will just avoid putting themselves in any situation wear they could be war decced. Safety and risk requires a balance in order to get the kids out to play. Too much risk and everyone stays indoors.

See where I put that I may have been too subtle? And where I say that suggestions for balance are disquised requests for buffs? The change I asked for is just that. An over the top, self serving, good for me, bad for the miners, no justification except I want it, balance that will save Eve and cause subscriptions to skyrocket. If I'm not being too subtle here.....


I don't want a change. I've spent the entire thread arguing against the changes that other posters have said would balance wardeccing. I think things are fine like they are and that the changes suggested are just attempts to make it harder for players like me to wardec them.

I think what you have said right here really does summarize the difference between your view of things and mine. When you say the defender should be able to forcefully end the war I think you actually mean "win" the war. They can end the war easily enough with the current mechanics. They can dissolve the corp, the members can move to other corps and NPC organizations, they can offer surrender, in my case they can accept my conditions, buy permits, etc. They can then return to their former activities (as long as they follow the Code) until another wardeccer comes along and notices that they have chosen to fly target ships.

I completely understand that most Eve players would rather defeat their enemy as a means of ending the war than surrender (and accept their actual status in the Eve hierarchy). They believe they have honor and that the only difference between me and them is time in game and a larger bank balance and that they are just undiscovered pvp stars. And I understand that you believe the inability to end the war without the formal agreement of the agressor is somehow broken. But I don't see it that way. I see no reason that a war I've chosen to start needs to end before I decide it does. As long as I want to be at war with someone else, and as long as I'm willing to pay for it, and as long as I follow the EULA, I should be able to war from now until server shutdown.